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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #255 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:07pm

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:03pm:

I see what you're getting at. It has nothing to do with whether the theory is wrong or right. It's just about whether it is scientific. That's all.

If you agreed with them, you would have said so straight away, so I don't see the point in continuing. It's just too much of an effort. Darwin - pray continue.

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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #256 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:19pm

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If you agreed with them, you would have said so straight away

If it was relevant, sure. But it isn't. I am not going to agree with a statement without first checking if it is true, nor am I going to bother checking whether it is true, because it is not relevant. If it helps you, I will answer them as best I can, but don't complain later on when my answers have nothing to do with my argument, or if they are unsatisfactory.

re Cretaceous Period: This is a definitional identity. I'm not sure what the accepted time frame is.

re Solar system age: Again I am not sure what the currently accepted best estimate of the age is.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #257 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:21pm Here is a model of evolutionary algorithm. Can anybody point out what is unscientific about it?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48856 At my desk.	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #258 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:26pm It is not falsifiable, or at least not as a theory for explaining biological change.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #259 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:36pm tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:21pm: Here is a model of evolutionary algorithm. Can anybody point out what is unscientific about it? http://www.geatbx.com/docu/algindex-3.gif 1. It's not an evolutionary model.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #260 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:40pm freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:26pm: It is not falsifiable, or at least not as a theory for explaining biological change. Why not?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #261 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:42pm muso wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:36pm: tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:21pm: Here is a model of evolutionary algorithm. Can anybody point out what is unscientific about it? http://www.geatbx.com/docu/algindex-3.gif 1. It's not an evolutionary model. It is a model of evolutionary algorithm.
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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #262 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:44pm

tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:42pm:

muso wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:36pm:

tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:21pm:

Here is a model of evolutionary algorithm. Can anybody point out what is unscientific about it?
http://www.geatbx.com/docu/algindex-3.gif

1. It's not an evolutionary model.

It is a model of evolutionary algorithm.

LOL. Where did you get that from?

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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #263 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:49pm

tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:26pm:

It is not falsifiable, or at least not as a theory for explaining biological change.

Why not?

Because of the time periods involved in the 'mutation' step, and also because that particular step is totally unpredictable. It renders the entire algorithm unpredictable.

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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #264 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:55pm

muso wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:44pm:

tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:42pm:

muso wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:36pm:

tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:21pm:

Here is a model of evolutionary algorithm. Can anybody point out what is unscientific about it?
http://www.geatbx.com/docu/algindex-3.gif

1. It's not an evolutionary model.

It is a model of evolutionary algorithm.

LOL. Where did you get that from?

It does not matter. Let's discuss the model not the places otherwise we finish wondering about value of mandarins in China in tons. Roll Eyes

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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #265 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:59pm

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:49pm:

tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 3:26pm:

It is not falsifiable, or at least not as a theory for explaining biological change.

Why not?

Because of the time periods involved in the 'mutation' step, and also because that particular step is totally unpredictable. It renders the entire algorithm unpredictable.

The mutation is not the engine of the process but only a supplier of variability of genetic pool.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48856 At my desk.	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #266 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:03pm So? My argument still holds. It still renders it unfalsifiable. What is the 'engine'?
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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #267 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:13pm

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:03pm:

So? My argument still holds. It still renders it unfalsifiable.

What is the 'engine'?

"Because of the time periods involved in the 'mutation' step, and also because that particular step is totally unpredictable. It renders the entire algorithm unpredictable."

It doesn't need to be predictable and it happens in each generation. Genetic variation is random but it's worth is sorted at termination criteria test stage.

Process "engine" is the mover of process.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48856 At my desk.	Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION Reply #268 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:22pm OK then, if you think the model is falsifiable, explain how you would do so.
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Re: EVOLUTION VS RELIGION
Reply #269 - Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 8:16pm

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:22pm:

OK then, if you think the model is falsifiable, explain how you would do so.

I am not sure if it is or isn't, that's why I asked.
I suspect that muso noticed something wrong that's why he deflected and exited. But I would like to know what was it.

Anyway, let's wait for Darwin and whoever else before we make any final conclusions about this particular model.

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