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Reply #195 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 8:43pm
 
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Little Bully Kevvy started the threatening behaviour with warnings of gun toting vessels trailing the Japs.


Do Customs vessels 'tote guns?'  I mean something more than mere rifles/hand guns etc.  I mean deck mounted bungers.


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December 18, 2007 09:52am


A CUSTOMS vessel armed with machine guns may be deployed to the Southern Ocean as part of beefed-up Federal Government monitoring of the Japanese whale hunt.

Customs said the Oceanic Viking is not a cruise ship, as reported today, but a "full-time contracted vessel".

"The 105-metre Oceanic Viking is fitted with two deck mounted 0.50 calibre machine guns, has a fully-equipped medical centre staffed by an Australian Antarctic Division doctor, and carries a full civilian crew and steaming party," the customs website said.

Oceanic Viking is also used to patrol Australia's northern waters.

Greenpeace has welcomed the reported plan to use the ship to monitor the hunt.

"We're certainly supporting the Australian Government's action that they're taking in sending a ship down," Greenpeace's Karli Thomas told Channel 9 today.

"The more scrutiny that we can have on the Japanese whaling operation the better."

Little Kevvy's Navy





Note, my expression "bungers." 

That is 'Aussie' speak for something much more than a deck mounted tatatatatatatatata.....

I meant, by 'bunger' something which will blow you out of the water.......the equivalent of 'gun toting.........' in real world terms
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Reply #196 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 9:16pm
 
The vessel does have 0.50's that were removed.
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Reply #197 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 9:46pm
 
you mean it doesn't have them?
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Reply #198 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:15pm
 
Officially? Nup and hopefully never will but you never know with the left...They can be militant. I'm sure there would have been some hippies crying into their tie dies that more posturing couldn't be made of the weapons.

Peace man- now even though you are performing a totally legal operation, do as I say or I'll sink your ship.

I think I might go cut my competitions phone lines as I believe that they are acting unethically. Maybe I can get Kruddy to send a Telstra van to assist me after I have jumped onto his property?

Kruddy has wasted enough taxpayers $$$ on his little green placating jaunt. The bullets should be fired across the bow of the Steve Irwin
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Reply #199 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 22nd, 2008 at 9:46pm:
you mean it doesn't have them?


After the outcry they were removed.  The Liebor Party thought being the John Wayne of the seas sounded pretty cool but there was a massive backlash and they were 'officially' removed.
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Reply #200 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 8:10am
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 22nd, 2008 at 8:43pm:
Note, my expression "bungers."  

That is 'Aussie' speak for something much more than a deck mounted tatatatatatatatata.....

I meant, by 'bunger' something which will blow you out of the water.......the equivalent of 'gun toting.........' in real world terms


A 50 calibre round will pierce all but military vehicles with heavy armour so knocking off sailors aboard a whaling ship at distances of a couple of kilometres makes the weapon formidable.

Luckily the public have more sense than Liebor and the outcry caused the weapons to be removed - but Little Kevvy certainly made the threats and gave courage to the loonies of the sea.  The results are there to see.

The previous government obviously made it clear that piracy was illegal.
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Japan urges legal action against activists
Reply #201 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 1:06pm
 
Japan urges legal action against anti-whaling activists: ministry

http://news.smh.com.au/japan-urges-legal-action-against-antiwhaling-activists-ministry/20080123-1njy.html

Japan urged Australia Tuesday to take legal action against two anti-whaling protestors who climbed aboard a Japanese whaler in Antarctic seas last week, a foreign ministry statement said.

The activists, from the US environmental group Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, were held on the Japanese harpoon boat for two days after they delivered a letter protesting the slaughter of whales.

Only an hour after the two men were handed to an Australian customs boat on Friday, the crew of a Sea Shepherd ship hurled butyric acid bombs, or "stink bombs," onto the deck of the harpoon boat.

Japanese Foreign Minister Masahiko Komura told Australian Trade Minister Simon Crean in Tokyo that the actions of the group posed a danger and he urged cooperation to prevent "the recurrence of such an incident," according to the ministry statement.

He also asked Canberra to "take appropriate action" under national laws "should the Sea Shepherd boat call at an Australian port."

Crean, during talks here on bilateral ties, regional cooperation and the whaling issue, said the Australian Federal Police are investigating the case and that his government would decide on a response based on the results.
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Reply #202 - Jan 24th, 2008 at 6:42pm
 
I agree with japan.

the "activists" did an illegal dangerous action and still are.
ALP incited their action due to a meaningless legal case win.
It is up to the ALP to provide safety from activists.

The japanese now have a huge moral advantage, we have lost ground
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Reply #203 - Jan 24th, 2008 at 7:51pm
 
ALP incited their action due to a meaningless legal case win.

The court case had nothing to do with it. The ALP incited their action due to buying the 'idiot' green vote bolstered by the environMENTAL lobby to win govt. As with most of their policies, it will eventually cost them (us) more than they paid with little to no return except rhetorical grandiose grandstanding and a lowering of Australia in world standing due to our hypocritical stance
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Japanese relations will be fine: Smith
Reply #204 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 2:04pm
 
This hardly sounds like our government is 'standing up' to the whalers:

Japanese relations will be fine: Smith

http://news.smh.com.au/japanese-relations-will-be-fine-smith/20080125-1o4q.html

Foreign Minister Stephen Smith says Australia and Japan agreeing to disagree over whaling in Antarctic waters won't affect relations between the two countries.

Mr Smith, who flies to Tokyo next week for talks with his Japanese counterpart Masahiko Koumura, described the relationship as long-term and enduring.
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Re: Why we should allow whaling
Reply #205 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 6:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 21st, 2008 at 4:01pm:
Apparently Aboriginies in Australia catch about 1600 dugongs every year. They really are an endangered species.


The Aborigines or the dugongs?
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New Zealand PM warns Japanese whalers
Reply #206 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 6:48pm
 
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New Zealand PM warns Japanese whalers

http://news.smh.com.au/new-zealand-pm-warns-japanese-whalers/20080125-1o4q.html

New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark has warned Japanese whaling ships, saying surveillance photos of the fleet revealing their location will be published if they enter New Zealand's Antarctic waters.

Japan's six ship whaling fleet has been trying to avoid anti-whaling protest ships in the Southern Ocean after protesters stopped whaling operations when two activists boarded a whaling ship and another group stopped a whaling ship refuelling.

The militant Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, which boarded the Japanese ship, has threatened to find the whalers and stop them whaling.

Greenpeace, which prevented the fleet's factory ship Nisshin Maru from refuelling, is also searching for the whalers.

Royal New Zealand Air Force reports the whalers were heading for New Zealand's Antarctic waters, where it has search and rescue responsibilities but not sovereignty, prompted Clark to warn off the Japanese fleet.

"The government's instructions have been that if the Japanese whaling fleet is discovered in the area where New Zealand is patrolling, then we would like photographs and we will release them," Clark told reporters.

"We won't release coordinates for obvious safety related reasons but we will put information out to the world where we see the fleet," she said.



Greenpeace anti-whaling ship low on fuel

http://news.smh.com.au/greenpeace-antiwhaling-ship-low-on-fuel/20080126-1oc4.html

Greenpeace's ship Esperanza, which has been pursuing the Japanese whaling fleet in the Southern Ocean, is running low on fuel and returning to port.

Greenpeace said it was estimated that the fleet needed to catch approximately nine minke whales each day and an endangered fin whale every other day in order to reach their self-imposed quota of nearly 1,000 whales.

However, the Japanese government said they would not whale while Greenpeace was with the Nisshin Maru.



So just how strongly does our government oppose whaling in the protected zone, where an Australian judge has ruled the whaling illegal.

Japanese coast guards to protect whalers

http://news.smh.com.au/japanese-coast-guards-to-protect-whalers/20080130-1p2c.html

Australia's foreign minister has defended Japan's right to put coast guard staff aboard whaling vessels to protect their seamen from protesters.

Foreign minister Stephen Smith said, via a spokesman, that restraint was needed by all parties in the Southern Ocean.

"The placement of coastguard officers on the Japanese whaling vessels is a matter for Japan," Smith's spokesman said.

He was reacting to reports that Japanese coast guard officers, who have the right to carry weapons, have entered Australia's Antarctic waters to help defend whalers from protesters.

Arikawa said the decision to send coast guard officers to accompany the whalers came directly from the Japanese government and he expected Australia to be unhappy with the move.

"I think the Australian government will condemn or complain about the Japanese government's decision, because they mainly like to complain about anything you know. That is my personal opinion," he said.

The head of the Sea Shepherd protest group, which has had a vessel in the Southern Ocean tracking the whalers, said he would not be deterred by Japan's decision to send coast guard staff.

"We have had confrontations with half of the Soviet navy, the Portuguese, Danish and Norwegian navies. We have been fired on by the Norwegians and the Russians," Sea Shepherd spokesman Paul Watson said.

"When you take on the Soviet navy you are not concerned about the Japanese coast guard.

"I find it rather strange that Australia went to the trouble of taking the guns off the (customs ship) Oceanic Viking so as not to offend the Japanese and yet the Japanese can have armed military personnel down here."

Watson's protest vessel the Steve Irwin is heading back to Melbourne, where it hopes to refuel before again trying to locate the Japanese fleet.

The Greenpeace ship is also heading back to port and expects to arrive in Hobart on Monday.

Japan makes no secret that the meat ends up on dinner plates and accuses Western countries of disrespecting its culture. Only Norway and Iceland defy the moratorium on commercial whaling outright.
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Smith to raise whaling issue in Tokyo
Reply #207 - Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:17pm
 
Smith to raise whaling issue in Tokyo

http://news.smh.com.au/smith-to-raise-whaling-issue-in-tokyo/20080131-1pbi.html

Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith has arrived in Japan on his first foreign trip since taking office, amid a bitter feud between the allies over whaling.

The Japanese official sought to play down the dispute.

"Whaling of course will be talked about at the foreign ministerial talks, but the two ministers have already discussed it over the telephone and agreed not to make it a diplomatic issue," he said.

Rudd's Labor Party had accused the previous conservative government of John Howard of failing to press for an end to whaling due to concern about business with Japan, Australia's top trading partner.

As he arrived, nearly 100 experts and officials on both sides of the whaling dispute met in Japan in a bid to reach some understanding on the future of the International Whaling Commission, which is bitterly divided between countries which support whaling and those that oppose it.

The symposium, which will submit recommendations to the commission's next meeting, was arranged by the Pew Charitable Trusts, a non-governmental US research institute.

The commission imposed a 1986 moratorium on whaling, but Japan argues that it should go back to its original mandate of managing whale populations for hunting.



Whaling resumes in Southern Ocean

http://news.smh.com.au/whaling-resumes-in-southern-ocean/20080201-1per.html

Japan has resumed its slaughter of whales in the Southern Ocean, crew on board the Australian Customs vessel Oceanic Viking have confirmed.

Witnesses reported seeing up to five whales, possibly the minke species, harpooned and then hauled on to the factory ship the Nisshin Maru.

Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith has voiced his "disappointment" at Japan's resumption of whaling during a face-to-face meeting with his counterpart in Tokyo.



We may board whaling ship again: Watson

http://news.smh.com.au/we-may-board-whaling-ship-again-watson/20080201-1per.html

Anti-whaling activists are prepared to repeat a risky boarding tactic that sparked a diplomatic row between Australia and Japan.

"That is a possibility, I see nothing wrong with boarding a poaching vessel," he told AAP, from aboard the Steve Irwin off the Tasmanian coast.

"We are dealing with criminals here and I see no problem with boarding them to try and stop what they are doing."

"They are not going to get their quota (of 935 minke whales and 50 fin whales) this year," he said.

In meetings with his Japanese counterpart Masahiko Komura, Mr Smith conveyed the Australian government's strongly-held view that Japan's whaling program should cease, a spokesman for the minister said.

Greenpeace says it wants Mr Smith to use his Tokyo visit to extract a guarantee from Japan that it won't build a new factory whaling ship.



Japanese PM calls for calm on whaling

http://news.smh.com.au/japanese-pm-calls-for-calm-on-whaling/20080201-1per.html

Japan's prime minister insisted a bitter dispute over whaling won't hurt bilateral relations, a day after Australia expressed its disappointment as whalers resumed their hunt.

As the row dragged on, hunt supporters and opponents held a rare meeting in Tokyo in a bid to strike a compromise in the international body that handles whales.

About 100 delegates from both sides are weighing possible solutions, including a suggested compromise that could see Western nations acknowledge Japanese coastal communities' right to whaling if Tokyo suspends "research whaling" in the Southern Ocean.

Earlier, Smith said he and his Japanese counterpart Masahiko Komura had also met to discuss the issue, and had "agreed to disagree".

He denied the resumption of whaling, timed to coincide with his arrival in Tokyo, was a calculated insult.

"I regard this as a coincidence," he said.



Anti-whalers vow bigger Antarctic presence next year

http://news.smh.com.au/antiwhalers-vow-bigger-antarctic-presence-next-year/20080202-1pp8.html

Militant environmental activists on Saturday vowed to increase their presence in the Southern Ocean next year in their bid to prevent Japanese whalers from killing the giant mammals.

Paul Watson, captain of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society vessel the Steve Irwin, said his ship had stopped the Japanese fleet from killing whales for three to four weeks but was now forced to return to port to refuel.

Next year he wants to bring two ships into the Antarctic waters.



Cheers as anti-whalers dock in Melbourne

http://news.smh.com.au/cheers-as-antiwhalers-dock-in-melbourne/20080202-1pob.html

More than 100 people cheered, waved and whistled as the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's ship sailed into Victoria Harbour at Melbourne's Docklands about 2.30pm (AEDT) on Saturday.



Police may charge whaling protesters

http://news.smh.com.au/police-may-charge-whaling-protesters/20080202-1pp2.html

The Australian Federal Police will speak to the crew of the Sea Shepherd protest ship to decide whether they behaved illegally in trying to stop Japan's Southern Ocean whale hunt.

"The AFP is currently undertaking preliminary inquiries into the events that occurred in the Southern Ocean in accordance with Australian legislations and Australia's obligation under international law."
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Whaling Commission 'must be reformed'
Reply #208 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 1:01pm
 
Whaling Commission 'must be reformed'

http://news.smh.com.au/whaling-commission-must-be-reformed/20080202-1poz.html

The International Whaling Commission has failed to resolve the increasingly heated debate over Japan's whaling program and needs to be thoroughly reformed, organisers of a conference on the dispute said.

The IWC - the world body regulating the hunting of many species of whales - has been paralysed by a clash between pro- and anti-whaling countries and both sides are dissatisfied with its performance, conference participants said on Friday.

Joshua Reichert, managing director of the US-based Pew Environment Group, which sponsored the conference, said the dispute threatened to spill over into other aspects of Japan's foreign relations.

Participants in the Pew conference - including government officials, scientists and environmentalists - agreed the current system for managing the world's whales is broken, but stopped short of recommending specific IWC reforms.

Environmentalists oppose the IWC-permitted scientific research program that enables Japan to kill about 1,000 whales a year.

Japan accuses the IWC of ignoring scientific evidence that certain species of whales are plentiful enough to be hunted without threat of extinction.

Symposium chairman Tuiloma Neroni Slade said a resolution could include a recognition of wider hunting rights by Japan's coastal whalers, suspension of research whaling, and a limit on the number of animals whaling natio

Symposium chairman Tuiloma Neroni Slade said a resolution could include a recognition of wider hunting rights by Japan's coastal whalers, suspension of research whaling, and a limit on the number of animals whaling nations can kill each year.

Japan said it would not back down.

"If some people are promoting the idea of whaling as totally evil and something that should be totally denied, I don't think that will create any kind of possibility of dialogue or discussion or possible solution," said Joji Morishita of the Fisheries Agency.



This is rediculous. Our government finally determined whether Japan really is whaling. They keep blustering on about this solid case but refuse to risk the embarassment of trying to get an international court to take them seriously.

Govt has 'shocking' evidence of whaling

http://news.smh.com.au/govt-has-shocking-evidence-of-whaling/20080207-1qpm.html

Australia has "shocking" evidence to back a legal bid to stop Japanese whaling in the Southern Ocean, the federal government says.

But Home Affairs Minister Bob Debus says the government is still unsure who it could prosecute, when, and in what court.

The government's evidence is a pile of "shocking images" of the annual whale hunt taken by crew aboard the armed customs patrol vessel Oceanic Viking.

"We have got evidence of whaling being carried out in circumstances that we believe it should not be done," Mr Debus told reporters in Sydney.

According to Environment Minister Peter Garrett, the images of the slaughter mean any legal bid to stop whaling should be an open-and-shut case.

"It is explicitly clear from these images that this is the indiscriminate killing of whales, where you have a whale and its calf killed in this way," he told reporters in Sydney.



Japanese whaling pictures 'sick': Australian minister

http://news.smh.com.au/japanese-whaling-pictures-sick-australian-minister/20080207-1qs9.html

Photographs of a mother whale and her calf being dragged on board a Japanese ship after being harpooned in Antarctic waters have been described as sickening by Australia's environment minister.

"I guess when I saw the photos I just felt a bit of a sick feeling as well as a sense of sadness," Environment Minister Peter Garrett told Nine Network television.

Canberra was determined to pursue its campaign against whaling and would appoint a special envoy to talk with the Japanese on the issue while considering international legal action, Garrett said.

"We have to consider the options on legal action because it's a big step to be taken. But we're going to look at that very closely and some of the images that have been captured will inform that decision," he said.



Customs has 'misleading' whaling photos

http://news.smh.com.au/customs-has-misleading-whaling-photos/20080207-1qpm.html

Japanese authorities have hit back in the public relations war over its "scientific" whaling program, accusing Australian officials of misleading the public.

The Institute of Cetacean Research (ICR) denied two whales photographed as they were dragged bleeding into the whale processing vessel Yushin Maru, in the Southern Ocean, were mother and calf.

The two whales were unrelated, ICR director general Minoru Morimoto said, and the variance in size showed only "random sampling" in practice.

"It is necessary to conduct random sampling of the Antarctic minke population to obtain accurate statistical data."

"The government of Australia's photographs, and the media reports, have created a dangerous emotional propaganda that could cause serious damage to the relationship between our two countries," he warned.
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Japan 'needs reality check over whaling'
Reply #209 - Feb 9th, 2008 at 3:40pm
 
I wonder what would happen if the Japanese government started publishing graphic front page photos of sheep mulesing in Australia. They could do far more damage to our sheep industry than we can do to whaling.

Japan 'needs reality check over whaling'

http://news.smh.com.au/japan-needs-reality-check-over-whaling/20080209-1r86.html

Japan should stop whaling if it is opposed to international media attention, Greenpeace says.

The Japanese government has announced it will lodge a complaint to Australia over the release of graphic whaling images on Thursday.
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