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Reply #240 - Aug 12th, 2008 at 5:55am
 
Here is another link

http://www.iwcoffice.org/_documents/commission/IWC58docs/58-WKMAWI25.pdf
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Reply #241 - Aug 12th, 2008 at 10:18am
 
Thanks for that.
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Reply #242 - Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:19pm
 
No change to upcoming whaling in Antarctic

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"There is no change to our plans," ministry official Toshinori Uoya said. "We are going ahead with the planned catch."

Uoya said the expedition is scheduled to leave for the Antarctic later this month but refused to disclose its departure details for safety reasons.
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Re: Why we should allow whaling
Reply #243 - Nov 14th, 2008 at 12:29am
 
Well the Japs have been doing it for a long time, it was part of their culture.

They also took Australian's prisoner in barbaric conditions and were inhumane with the way they treated us. I guess that's part of their culture.

I also think they are supposed to Seppuku when they are about to be captured. Another part of their culture.

If the Japs want to stick with tradition, they gotta stick with tradition.

Yay for whales.
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Secret U.S. Plan to Expand Whaling
Reply #244 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:02am
 
Newspaper Reveals Secret U.S. Plan to Expand Whaling

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090126/pl_usnw/newspaper_reveals_secret_u_s__plan_to_expand_whaling

YARMOUTH PORT, Mass., Jan. 26 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- According to secret documents obtained by the Washington Post, outgoing Bush Administration appointees have been engaged in intense, closed-door negotiations to undo the global moratorium on commercial whaling and extend unprecedented authorization to the Government of Japan to kill whales off its coastline and in international waters.

"Apparently, the last lousy idea of the Bush Administration was to legitimize commercial whaling in the 21st century. It's unbelievable, and fundamentally un-American. We should be encouraging Japan, Iceland and Norway to end whaling, not cooking up deals to help it continue," said Patrick Ramage, Global Whale Program Director for the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW --www.ifaw.org)

Longtime Bush Administration appointee Dr. William Hogarth currently serves as U.S. Commissioner and Chairman of the 83-nation International Whaling Commission (IWC). In early 2008, Dr. Hogarth and the Japanese Vice-Chair initiated a series of closed-door meetings and secret discussions designed to forge a compromise with Japan, one of only three IWC member nations still whaling. A "small working group" of IWC member countries met behind closed doors in St. Pete Beach, Florida in September and again in Cambridge, England in early December 2008. Dr. Hogarth reconvened a drafting group of countries this weekend in Hawaii to fine-tune the compromise deal.

Text drafted by U.S., Japanese and other commissioners engaged in the IWC "Small Working Group" process apparently contemplates legitimizing Japan's ongoing scientific whaling in international waters -- including an internationally recognized whale sanctuary -- as well as extending long-sought authorization to Japan to kill protected whales in its coastal waters. "This is not the first issue on the new Obama administration's agenda, but it is perhaps one of the most fundamental and fastest to fix," Ramage said. "Americans from sea to shining sea love whales and want their government to protect them. The time has come to end the drift in U.S. policy and renew American leadership at the IWC."

Since the global ban on commercial whaling in 1986, Japan has claimed its whaling operations are conducted for scientific research purposes. Japan has killed more than 15,000 whales since the whaling ban and has threatened to begin killing humpback whales if the IWC does not bow to its wishes and approve commercial whaling.
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Reply #245 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 10:26am
 
Ahhhh...  if it's secret...?
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Re: Why we should allow whaling
Reply #246 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 7:55pm
 
It might actually be advantageous for us to hunt whale.

Let's face it, if whale becomes an endangered species, that means a large surplus in non-whale sea life. Think about all the fish a whale eats, now immagine there's no whales around to eat it.

That means alot more fish for us to feed those starving Africans and poo. And make my "food for blood" program where they kill the Chinease for us in exchange for food. Then once we've destroyed all our foreign enemies we say "kay, we're even" and the formerly starving Africans are like "so long, thanks for all the fish".
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Save the whaling
Reply #247 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 8:53pm
 
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/print/648/save-whaling

Whaling can be done just as sustainably as other forms of marine harvesting - if we remove our cultural blinkers.

Why is it that the International Whaling Commission condones the slaughter of rare whales by indigenous peoples using what are, arguably, inhumane traditional methods, while ruling against the commercial harvest of more common species by more humane methods?

'Aboriginal subsistence whaling', as it's known, is currently permitted by the commission for Denmark (fin and minke whales), the Russian Federation (grey and bowhead whales), the islands of St Vincent and the Grenadines (humpback whales) and the United States (bowhead and grey whales). A key condition is that meat and other products from the slaughter not be sold.

In the lead-up to a recent meeting of the commission in Ulsan, South Korea, there was no discussion of the number of humpback whales the Grenadines are allowed to kill in the Caribbean - even though this species is listed by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature as vulnerable to extinction.

The harvest of smaller species belonging to the suborder Odontoceti (for example, dolphins and pilot whales) is not regulated by the commission and not discussed. This includes, for example, the slaughter of long-finned pilot whales by Danish Farosese fishermen by driving the whales close to the shore, then weighing the animals down with ropes attached to stones. The whales are then stabbed in the blubber with a sharp hook, called a gaff, before being pulled to shore.

Before the Ulsan conference, Australia's Environment Minister, Ian Campbell, travelled the world railing against the slaughter of whales - concentrating entirely on Norwegian and Japanese whalers. He was reportedly "shocked and saddened by recently broadcast images of whale-cooking classes in Japan".

I don't like the idea of killing whales and I am always outraged when science is wrongly invoked to justify politics - as Japan does to justify the continual harvest of minke whales for essentially cultural reasons. But I am just as appalled by ignorance and double standards on this issue.

Norwegian whalers have a long cultural tradition of killing, eating and selling whale products. They argue that minke whaling is an environmentally sound way of producing food, that the harvest of whales is based on scientific advice drawn from the best available knowledge, and that decisions are based on the precautionary principle (because there's uncertainty about biological data on the number of whales, harvesting is done cautiously and with a reasonable margin of safety, they say). All harvesting is accompanied by monitoring, they add, and systems exist to ensure compliance with regulations.

Whaling was suspended in 1986, and Norway - after some reluctance and faced with the threat of sanctions - also halted whaling the following year. But when, in 1992, the commission's scientific committee estimated the north-east Atlantic minke whale population had reached 86,700, Norway resumed whaling. Despite this, the number of minke whales in the region is now estimated at 112,000.

Whales are harvested by Norwegians according to a strict quota system based on an understanding of population numbers and dynamics. The 2005 season allows Norwegian whalers 796 minke whales - up from last year's 670. The whalers must operate in accordance with strict protocols for killing whales which are deemed humane. Whales are said to die instantly when struck by a harpoon tipped with the grenade.

Greenpeace made its name by opposing commercial whaling. In an insightful review of Greenpeace's early years, environment journalist Fred Pearce has written, "Greenpeace was far from being the first green group to oppose whaling. But it was the first green group to ignore the scientific arguments about whale reproduction rates, population dynamics, and how large a sustainable cull might be, in favour of an undiluted ethical argument: save the whale." The media war was effectively reduced to the simple issue of whether or not 'whales are good'.

As a consequence many Westerners have come to venerate cetaceans, the zoological order which comprises the 80 or so species of whales, dolphins and porpoises. It is not unusual for cultures to venerate particular animals: orthodox Hindus venerate cows, believing them to possess divine qualities. But is this a useful basis from which to develop national and international environmental policies for the conservation of species?

Dugongs, like whales, are long-lived marine mammals. They feed on sea grass in northern Australian waters and are slow breeders, suckling a single calf for over 18 months. Two papers published last year in the British journal Animal Conservation suggest dugong populations in the Torres Strait are grossly over-fished. The Australian government accepts that about 1,000 dugongs are killed each year by indigenous communities, and that this is probably 10 times the estimated sustainable harvest.

I respect the rights of indigenous Australians to hunt dugongs, and I respect the right of Norwegians and Japanese to hunt whales and trade the products of their slaughter. But the activity must be sustainable. Instead of playing emotion, the Australian and other Western governments could learn from the reasoned and scientific approach taken by the Norwegians.
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Re: Why we should allow whaling
Reply #248 - Jun 30th, 2009 at 9:46pm
 
There's been another IWC meeting:

http://www.iwcoffice.org/Meetings/meeting2009.htm

PRESS RELEASE – DAY 2 – TUESDAY 23 JUNE

This year, the Scientific Committee had received new information that enabled it to provide advice on West Greenland common minke whales for the first time. That advice was that annual catches of 178 would not harm the stock. The advice from the Scientific Committee with respect to the other aboriginal subsistence catch limits was that the present limits will not harm the stocks.

As last year, the primary focus of discussions within the Commission was the request for a catch of 10 humpback whales. The Scientific Committee has confirmed that such catches will not harm the stock.

PRESS RELEASE – DAY 1 – MONDAY 22 JUNE

The report of the Scientific Committee considered the status of a number of large whale stocks. New information was received on Antarctic minke whales, North Pacific common minke whales, Southern Hemisphere humpback whales, Southern Hemisphere blue whales and a number of other small stocks of bowhead, right and gray whales. The Committee was particularly pleased to complete its assessment of Eastern African humpback whales which have recovered to over 65% of their pre-exploitation size. The Committee also reported positive evidence of increases in abundance for several other stocks of humpback, blue and right whales in the Southern Hemisphere, although several remain at reduced levels compared to their pre-whaling numbers. Information remains lacking for other stocks.

After completing its discussions on this part of the Scientific Committee report, the Commission received reports from a number of countries on animal welfare issues related to whales and whaling. These ranged from information on the most appropriate methods for euthanasia for stranded animals to information on killing methods and hunting information from a number of countries. The Commission will hold a workshop on welfare issues associated with euthanasia and the entanglement of large whales in Maui, Hawai’i, in April 2010.
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Reply #249 - Jun 30th, 2009 at 9:51pm
 
So FD, should Australia resume whaling? I saw heaps of humbacks of Sydney last weekend and nearly ran into one!
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Reply #250 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 4:20pm
 
I think hunted whale can provide a lot of food and Australia is missing on fair share of the total catch.

As it is now, Australia is one of the countries that miss out on this great resource.
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Reply #251 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 8:48pm
 
I think commercial whaling should be allowed to resume on an international level. I don't really care which countries do it. As far as Australia is concerned, they should remove the ban on the importantion of whale meat, assuming there is one.
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Reply #252 - Jul 24th, 2009 at 10:42am
 
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Should whale watchers be allowed to hustle whales during birth process?
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Reply #253 - Jul 25th, 2009 at 10:27am
 
I realise it is only an emotional response, and as a lifelong surfer, rather than fisherman, my connection to the sea was never linked to pulling food from it, but I love whales, they are so majestic in their natural environment, I just cannot see myself ever agreeing with them being hunted.
I think a lot of people feel a similiar respect for them.
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Reply #254 - Jul 25th, 2009 at 9:30pm
 
The whole 'majestic' BS is nothing more than a money spinner for the tourist industry. They are fat, smelly, covered in ugly growths and cannot even jump all the way out of the water. Tuna and billfish are majestic. And tasty.

Yes Tallo, I have no problem with that. They should even be allowed to take home a souveneir.
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