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Is Howard a Fascist?
Reply #450 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 12:44pm
 
corporatism!
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Reply #451 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 2:57pm
 
keithy wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 12:44pm:
corporatism!



Yes he is a fascist-

mmm maybe you could  expand a little?
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Reply #452 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 4:41pm
 
Welcome to the site, gyhk. That's an interesting name.
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Reply #453 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 
gyhk_42 wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 2:57pm:
keithy wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 12:44pm:
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Yes he is a fascist-

mmm maybe you could  expand a little?


We are seemingly being bullied toward a Nuclear Power/Waste future...will the Liberal government of the future continue with this non-investment in Renewables only to tell us that there is no alternative to Nuclear Power: and therefore the worlds Nuclear waste.

I'm scared of them...Howard has tainted them: or does the barb truly belong in the Party of which Howard is at the helm?
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Reply #454 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 5:56pm
 
Many environmental organisations are backing nuclear as the 'lesser of two evils' and the cheapest (therefor most likely) alternative to replace coal for most of our baseload supplies.
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Reply #455 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 6:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 5:56pm:
Many environmental organisations are backing nuclear as the 'lesser of two evils' and the cheapest (therefor most likely) alternative to replace coal for most of our baseload supplies.

That would be for the larger populations, tho!

It is a fact that the larger populations of the world are stuck whereas Australia is once again the lucky country and doesn't need to go down this path.
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Reply #456 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 6:40pm
 
Can you join the dots for me? Provided our population isn't smaller than that supported by a sinlge power station, population shouldn't make a difference. Australia is no more gifted with renewables like wind, solar and hydro than many other countries.
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Reply #457 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 7:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 6:40pm:
Can you join the dots for me? Provided our population isn't smaller than that supported by a sinlge power station, population shouldn't make a difference. Australia is no more gifted with renewables like wind, solar and hydro than many other countries.


Cost involves more than money in most cases.

We have more desert per population than most and to not use it for power is an opportunity cost versus the creation of more Nuclear Waste.

Thousands of Reactors will have to be built and we do not have to dump this stuff in our pristine land because it was never our problem.

The opportunity to hold these Nuclear cowboys to account is priceless to our future children for generations to come. Not just Australias children, either.

They could simply dump it somewhere else but the voice of disapproval will be heard and we can proudly say, as Australians, we played our part.

Who knows what in the future but given todays climate of terrorism it would be best to buckle up...anything less is ripping off the future of mankind, IMHO.

Australia has this power and it should not be ill-spent.
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Reply #458 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 7:07pm
 
So the argument for or against nuclear is not affected by population size or density? What aspect of your argument is unique to Australia? Plenty of other countries also have desert, which by your argument should be covered up with solar panels to reduce the cost of lost opportunity.
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Reply #459 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 7:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 7:07pm:
So the argument for or against nuclear is not affected by population size or density? What aspect of your argument is unique to Australia? Plenty of other countries also have desert, which by your argument should be covered up with solar panels to reduce the cost of lost opportunity.


We are in the fortunate position of being able to set up enough Solar to deliver significant amounts of power for our population bypassing the need to go Nuclear.

Others are not in that position and if they are then they probably should set up solar unless they are prepared to deal with the alternative which is Nuclear Waste.

We will not deal with other peoples Nuclear Waste.

It forces accountability.

It's an addiction and Nuclear Waste was never our problem. Should it have ever been used?

It's a scam because the producers of this waste never had a clue what to do with it and Johnny is not investing in Renewables to try and force us to bury this worldwide problem.
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Reply #460 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 7:53pm
 
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We will not deal with other peoples Nuclear Waste.


True-

Downer said on Lateline a couple night ago when asked questions about selling uranium  to India.-"we will not be taking waste back".

Whilst its likely we will go Nuclear..we do have the resources such as solar- wind- to consider other options.
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Reply #461 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 8:01pm
 
We are in the fortunate position of being able to set up enough Solar to deliver significant amounts of power for our population bypassing the need to go Nuclear.

What about at night time?

The only way to have other countries adopting nuclear without weapons proliferation is to take the waste back. I suspect the disposal problem is overstated.
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Reply #462 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 8:16pm
 
gyhk_42 wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 7:53pm:
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We will not deal with other peoples Nuclear Waste.


True-

Downer said on Lateline a couple night ago when asked questions about selling uranium  to India.-"we will not be taking waste back".

Whilst its likely we will go Nuclear..we do have the resources such as solar- wind- to consider other options.


Don't you think that once we set up Nuclear Power that we will then be dumping the worlds Nuclear Waste?
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Reply #463 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 8:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 at 8:01pm:
We are in the fortunate position of being able to set up enough Solar to deliver significant amounts of power for our population bypassing the need to go Nuclear.

What about at night time?

The only way to have other countries adopting nuclear without weapons proliferation is to take the waste back. I suspect the disposal problem is overstated.


So significant amounts of power are not needed during the day?

The second paragraph does not compute with me.

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Reply #464 - Aug 29th, 2007 at 1:45pm
 
Of course power is needed during the day, but to rely on a source of power that is only available during the day is silly.
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