Should migrants who don't observe Aussie values be kicked out?

That refers to European immigrants (and their descendants) who don't support multiculturalism.

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Oh... and Government officials are? And taking your word, and your word alone for it is? And taking the media's word for it is? 

Get real, Gavin! This is the clearest indicator we have.


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Can't it also refer to Asians or Africans who've been raised as Australians with European values also? 

Oh... and Government officials are?

No, but the electoral process that keeps them there is. A poll from ACA has already filtered out most of the population int two steps:

1) it targets people who watch A Current Affair (not a good sign to begin with from what I've seen of the show)

2) it would be limited to whatever people felt motivated by their dodgy story to get up and vote.

Plus, the question is rather vague.

If the green left weekly ran a poll on whether we should bring back the racist white Australia policy I'm sure you'd get the opposite result. Would it tell you anything about the values of middle Australia?

Gavin wrote on Mar 16^th, 2007 at 5:25pm:

And no statistical body worth their salt would bother since it is meaningless and damage their credibility.

Talking about evidence in general here, and how much evidence there is to back an argument.

Firstly as Freediver and Gavin correctly pointed out, opinion polls are often used out of context to prove a point by whichever party is running that poll, and fails to take in to account the people who stand on the fence on the issue and indeed by it's nature views broad arguments in a black and white, yes/ no theory. Statistics are usually rubbish and even if it goes in favour of something I believe in, they need huge amounts of scrutiny before I give them any kind of credibility.

But what really worries me here is that DonaldTrump and Ausie Nationalist won't even bother to look into or absorb the evidence that might go against their point of view and instead when challenged, you get aggressive. Maybe I see a trend emerging? One of the first arguments I made on this blog is that maybe it's humans who are inherently violent and maybe it's the extremes of social groups who are the violent ones.

On a serious note, the more extreme right wing behaviour you put across, the more you will be put into the same bracket as those you are arguing are inherently violent. You probably come out far worse truth be told. Because you are part of the majority, when you fight back at a minority group with such anger, it is viewed as oppression or fascism, whether you like it or not.

The results of such action only cause more violence and more racial hatred. I saw it here in Britain when opinions were running very towards the black and Asian (Indians etc) population. There were riots far more violent than the Cronulla riots. In fact the police were helping the mobs to find black people to beat up. Our Black and Asian poulation continues to grow. They didn't 'go home'. You have to look at history to see whether far right opinion ever succeeds in its point of view. Hitler was the most active you might argue and methodically attempted wiped out entire social groups he despised. He didn't succeed. This point of view does not work.

Even if you don't agree with our arguments, I urge you to learn about the political systems that exist in your country and the world. The real policy makers and deal breakers. The people who control the media and in turn our thinking. If your opinion is still to the Right, then fine. But don't close yourself off to the system. Only then can we look to solve the serious problems that exist on both sides.

Leon wrote on Mar 16^th, 2007 at 9:05pm:

POMMY DICKHEAD

First of all, I appreciate how polite you're being about all this.


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How can it be a multiculturalism country from its beginnings if it was founded by the British and only British culture was in use for the first 150 years of its existence (With bits and pieces of multiculturalism adopted here and there and then disgarded again)?


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I don't care about letting people in so much (Immigration)... but we do have a central culture that people should abide by, and multiculturalism is largely unnecessary.


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I think you should have every right to kick them out, but that's just my opinion I guess.


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You know what? I think you're right.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21404884-601,00.html

THE Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir - banned in Europe, China and Saudi Arabia but legal in Australia - has been identified as a potential threat to the nation.

Research has found it takes advantage of Australian tolerance to launch propaganda attacks on the country and that its adherents are primed to take the next step up to jihad, if called upon to do so.

The propaganda of the religious group, which is legal in Australia, encourages a level of religious hatred that could convince its followers to carry out terrorist acts, says the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. A paper by the think tank's Anthony Bergin and Jacob Townsend says while Hizb ut-Tahrir does not advocate the use of terror - indeed forbids its members from engaging in terrorist acts - it uses the same radical terminology as al-Qa'ida.

"It uses Australian tolerance to promote radical propaganda even against Australia itself."

The paper acknowledges that Hizb ut-Tahrir has not been designated a terrorist organisation in Australia, saying its members' proselytising has been on the acceptable side of anti-terrorism laws. It also warns that, while the group disassociates itself from individual terrorist acts, it employs a clever communications strategy. "Hizb ut-Tahrir tailors its messages to different audiences," the paper says.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is already banned in several countries, including Germany, The Netherlands, Denmark, China, Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan.

The ASPI report says Hizb ut-Tahrir has been advocating the complete Islamisation of society, but in Australia it has not been a successful recruiter. It says the group is in the early stage of its program of spreading intolerance and racism.