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Reply #120 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 3:47pm
 


Freediver. Did i post about Hizb ut-tahrir before?
They should be banned. this is one of the points where me and DT have been going on about.
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Reply #121 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 4:09pm
 
No idea if you mentioned it before. There is a search funtion which you can use, both in the forum and a different one on the home page.
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Reply #122 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 5:25pm
 
Yeah i checked, i must have posted it on B/H.!
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Reply #123 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 
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First of all i apologise to Leon for my immature actions. Zoso, i'll apologise when it is mutual.

What on earth do I need to apologise for?

I don't even think you need to apologise to me? Apart from the big "dickhead" banner mate I don't know? You can call me a dickhead, I have thick skin Smiley

I will continue to call you noodle though... can't bring myself to give you the title of nationalist Wink
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Reply #124 - May 21st, 2007 at 5:03pm
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Feb 15th, 2007 at 2:45am:
A big fat yes from me.

Care for an explanation or are you happy with just an opinion?



REALLY AND WHY IS IT YES...


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Reply #125 - May 21st, 2007 at 8:45pm
 
Hi sarah,
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islam is inherently violent as mohammad was very violent, violence is also recommended a lot in the koran. The level of violence in the koran is used as "proof" of their "devoutness.

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Reply #126 - May 21st, 2007 at 9:02pm
 
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A big fat yes from me.

Care for an explanation or are you happy with just an opinion?



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Grin Bugger off back to cracker, Muslim.

Even if I did give a good explanation (Which I'm pretty sure I did somewhere in this thread), you'd simply deny it with the ol' idiotic and overused Muslim excuse: "It was misinterpreted."

HAHAHA.  Grin
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Reply #127 - May 22nd, 2007 at 12:09am
 
Donald - how could anyone misinterperet the phrase "Kill all the jews"

Or "Make islam the dominant religion over all other religions."

Or the story of mohammad beheading hundreds of jews one day because they would not convert to muslim.


No wonder I like athiests, agnostics, pagans, hindus and new agers.
They ain't going to slaughter me.
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Reply #128 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 1:56pm
 
http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070622-000002.xml

Most suicide bombers are Muslim
Suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, but according to Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, when religion is involved, the attackers are always Muslim. Why? The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines). It has a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.

What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at all.

So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region.

However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings.

The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser.

It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single.
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Reply #129 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 3:19pm
 
freediver - so they kill themselves and anyone else cause they don't bonk ?
not becuase they are filled with the hatred of the koran ?

Guess, the difference is a moot point really.
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Reply #130 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 3:32pm
 
That depends on whether your interest is in pointing fingers or ending terrorism.

Also, remember that evolutionists have a tendency to focus on those aspects of behaviour that can be explained by current evolutionary theories. They present just one side of the nature vs nurture debate, which is by no means resolved.

Plus, it goes to the heart of the question - is Islam inherently violent? As far as I can tell, polygamy is tolerated, but not proscribed, under Islam (just as it has been under Christianity - I think). It indicates for example that we can be more tolerant of Islamic immigrants, but we should maintain our cultural and legal opposition to polygamy.
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Reply #131 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 3:48pm
 
here is a different opinion on terrorists, which is from an ex-CIA officer. basically, he believes that terrorists are angered by US foreign policy rather than hatred of the west.

this is different to that other article that suggests they are motivated by sex.  

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AS PESSIMISM grows in the US about Iraq, the American commander there has warned that the war will take many years to win and a former top CIA officer has told a Sydney conference that defeat is inevitable in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Michael Scheuer, who headed the CIA's bin Laden unit until 2004, said the West was losing the global battle against Muslim insurgents.

Mr Scheuer said the US and its allies had failed to commit enough troops to win and did not understand the grievances motivating Muslim insurgents.

"We in the West are fighting an enemy we have woefully chosen to misunderstand and to whom we are losing hands down and on every front," he said.

Mr Scheuer said the US and its allies continually became involved in Middle East wars because of their reliance on Arab oil supplies and had little other interest in the region.

The US had tried "to do Afghanistan on the cheap" and that defeat there was "just around the corner," he said.

Mr Scheuer's bleak declaration came as the US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, said the war in Iraq could last for many years.

General Petraeus said the new "surge" strategy involving 30,000 extra US troops was having a positive effect in parts of Baghdad and the surrounding areas but such operations in places such as Northern Ireland took decades.

"I don't know whether this will be decades but the average counter-insurgency is somewhere around a nine or a 10-year endeavour."

General Petraeus said the big question was how US troops could be reduced to lessen the strain on the army and on the nation.

There is growing pessimism in the US about the chances of success in Iraq and the Washington Post reported yesterday that President George Bush was planning to begin reducing troop numbers next year.

Top officials in Washington had begun explaining to worried Republicans the President's plan for "post-surge" Iraq that would eventually involve bringing troops home.

Mr Scheuer said there was no hope of bringing democracy to Iraq or Afghanistan without a much greater commitment to defeat insurgents.

He said the West's biggest mistake in the war on terror was to ignore the grievances of Islamic insurgents.

He said Western politicians, including Prime Minister John Howard, deceived the public by suggesting that terrorists were motivated only by hatred for freedoms enjoyed in the West.

Mr Howard had "warbled" the "wildly inaccurate ditty" that the London bombers were motivated by a hatred of Western culture, Mr Scheuer said.

He said Al-Qaeda was motivated by anger towards US foreign policy in the Middle East rather than by hatred for Western culture.

That included the US military presence in the region, its backing of tyrannical Arab regimes and "unqualified" support for Israel.


Mr Scheuer said the United States needed to increase its troops and take a heavy-handed, "brutal" approach to beat insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan — or leave.

Mr Howard said he had not heard of Mr Scheuer.

"I don't know who you're talking about," Mr Howard said. "A lot of people disagree with me on Iraq.

"My position is that we are there to help the people of Iraq give effect to their desire to have democracy. They've voted in the most fearful circumstances of intimidation to embrace democracy."

Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd challenged Mr Howard to say why he would not set a timetable for a staged withdrawal of Australian troops.
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Dutch politician calls for Koran ban
Reply #132 - Aug 9th, 2007 at 11:40am
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Dutch-politician-calls-for-Koran-ban/2007/08/08/1186530448327.html

Dutch anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders has called for the Koran to be banned in the Netherlands, branding it a "fascist book" in the vein of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf which legitimises violence.

Writing in Dutch daily De Volkskrant Wilders said: "Ban this wretched book just like Mein Kampf is banned.

Send a signal ... to Islamists that the Koran can never, ever be used in our country as an excuse or inspiration for violence."

Hitler's Mein Kampf, published in 1925, outlines the future Nazi dictator's racist ideology. It has been banned from sale in the Netherlands since the end of World War Two.

Ayhan Tonca, chairman of the CMO umbrella group of Dutch Muslim organisations said Wilders' comments were best ignored.

"This is typical Wilders. This is a ridiculous idea," he said "There is not much news at the moment so he is trying to create some."

Wilders, whose new party won nine seats out of the 150 in parliament in last November's elections, is well known for his firebrand remarks on Islam.

He has warned of a "tsunami of Islamisation" in a country home to 1 million Muslims, and has lived under heavy protection since receiving death threats from Islamist militants in 2004.

Wilders said an attack over the weekend by two Moroccans and a Somali on a young Iranian-born politician who heads a Dutch group for "ex-Muslims" had spurred him to write.

The attack on Ehsan Jami, 22, caused an outcry in the Netherlands, where the November 2004 murder of Theo Van Gogh, a filmmaker critical of Islam, by a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim militant led to an anti-Muslim backlash and exposed social tensions.

Issues of immigration and integration no longer top the political agenda, despite the efforts of Wilders and his allies.

Earlier this year, Wilders called for a vote of no-confidence in two Muslim government ministers, questioning their loyalty to the country because of their dual nationality.

He has also campaigned to ban Muslim face veils, ban the building of new mosques and halt all Muslim immigration.

In April, Wilders was warned by the Dutch anti-terrorism chief that his anti-Islam statements had stoked anger in the Middle East, and that he was going too far.
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Reply #133 - Aug 9th, 2007 at 12:38pm
 
So Mr Wilders should be nice to possible terrorists, else they will get angry ?

It depends on if he can cite quotes from the koran that encourages violence and cite examples where it has been used for that cause.

You think he can do that ?   Smiley

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Reply #134 - Aug 9th, 2007 at 12:41pm
 
Are they saying Mr Wilders should accept this ?



"Local push for Islamic state
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AdvertisementAN ULTRA-radical Muslim group banned in many countries will promote support for an Islamic superstate in a seminar in Australia this month.

Christian critics claim that the seminar, to be conducted by the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, will be a recruiting ground for extremists.

Hizb ut-Tahrir believes that the caliphate — a part of the world under Muslim rule that, at its peak, ran from Spain to Iran and beyond — is about to be re-established.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned in Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Russia and most Muslim countries in the Middle East because of alleged links to terrorism, including the bombers behind the 2005 London attacks.

It is not banned in Australia but is controversial because it opposes democracy and Muslim integration, has tried to recruit young Muslims and ran a lecture last year titled "Israel is an illegal state that Muslims will never accept".

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/local-push-for-islamic-state/2007/01/08/1168104922239.html
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