Quote:While this is a genuine problem at the moment, not every modern terrorist is a muslim and historically they are no different from any other group. The problem with linking it to Islam is that it suggests that Islam must be either destroyed or contained in order to protect ourselves. You know where that leads...
Where does it lead, freediver? More violence?
Only an idiot would suggest that
all Muslims are terrorists, freediver. In fact, the concept of terrorism is also determined by whose in power. For example, the colonies rebelling against the British Empire in the American war of Independence are considered 'freedom fighters' and highly praised in todays society. Simply because the Americans won the war. In reality, they were probably considered terrorists by the British.
Furthermore, the Americans at one stage considered the taliban 'freedom fighters' against the evil godless commies of the Soviet Union. I believe this viewpoint is displayed in the movie Rambo III.
I'm quite insulted that people keep thinking that I think all Muslims are associated with 'terrorism.' This is basically just stereotyping me.
Quote:It would be more accurate and more useful to say that most current terrorist attacks or by people from the middle east or by people responding to the current situation in the middle east. It is not Islam that breeds terrorism, but political upheaval and the middle east is where most of the world's political problems currently are. As with most of these problems it can be traced back to past historical events, most of them during or immediately after WWII.
I believe that associations like Al Jazeera and Al Qaeda are modern political associations, yes. This is undeniable.
But your denial that this situation has "nothing" to do with religion and "everything" to do with modern politics is absurd.
And let me ask you a simple question that most Muslim supporters avoid, "HOW did the political problems in the Middle East emerge?"
Think about it. The past is not irrelevant in this argument. We can learn from the past and it's stupid to ignore it and focus too much on the 'present' and 'solving the problems of today.' Problems can't be solved without knowledge of:
A) The past.
B) The actual teachings surrounding a certain religion.
Quote:Pointing the finger at Islam is an association fallacy. It assumes that Islam is the cause of the violence merely because it is associated with the violence.
This is not a fallacy, freediver.
This is actually quite a justified viewpoint when you look at:
A) The teachings of the Quran.
B) The correlations between the teachings of the Quran and actual acts of Muslims in real life and throughout history.
Treatment of women
Treatment of Christians and Jews
Treatment of people who are not Muslims (Infidels/unbelievers)
Treatment of Muslims who convert to other religions
Have Muslims EVER been 'moderate' for the topics above? No, it's the backbone of their religion. And it's by no means, a 'modern' pattern in any way.
(Bare in mind, this is just a small chunk of the teachings of Quran that emulate real life)
And please don't try and compare Christianity to Islam. They're two completely different religions with completely different values.
True Christians know that the core of Christianity is centred around the New Testament and Jesus. Forgive and forget.
True Muslims know that Islam is centred around Mohammed: the war monger and pedophile. No mercy and no forgiveness (I'm wording that rather cruelly, but it's basically true).
After Abraham, Muslims and Christians are taught two completely different things.
Ever heard about Abraham and his wife Sarah? Who couldn't have a child and had to use their Egyptian slave girl 'Hagar' as a carrier?
Well... Abraham had two sons... Ismael (With wife Hagar) and Issac (With wife Sarah).
Jews and Christians believe that Issac was Abraham's first son and thus Gods chosen one. Therefore, they pick up the story of the bible through the bloodline of Issac.
Muslims on the other hand, believe Ismael was Abraham's first son and thus they pick up the story in the Quran what happens to Ismael afterwards whilst ignoring Issac.
As far as 'moderate Muslims' go... 'the ones that are just like us,' 'the ones that don't go to church,' 'the ones that forget about the ten commandments,' 'the ones that don't bother reading the bible every week...'
I don't believe this at all and believe so-called 'moderate muslims' are few and far between.
My reasoning for this stems from the fact that Muslims believe that if you leave the religion itself, you 'deserve death' and according to Allah, 'will never be forgiven.' Basically, Islam teaches that if you leave their religion, you're screwed. Which is why you have so few conversion rates in the Middle East and would find so few within Australia.
The Islamic household also conveys strong family ties, and inter-family and arranged marriages, which is why I find it hard to believe many Muslims are 'moderate' in any way. Because it's pushed so hard on them by their parents.
Anyway, I'll leave it at that, I'm running out of word-space and couldn't bothered continuing.
-I've taken note of the replies of Zoso and you in the 'Great Muslim Debate' thread, freediver, and I'll answer you shortly.
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