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Is Islam inherently violent? (Read 86448 times)
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Survey tracks fear of Muslims syndrome
Reply #45 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 10:29am
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Survey-tracks-fear-of-Muslims-syndrome/2007/03/04/1172943272425.html

Australians feel less threatened by Muslims once they have had the chance to talk about issues of potential conflict, a new survey shows.

"Before the deliberations, an initial survey by Issues Deliberation Australia (IDA) and Newspoll, showed nearly half of Australia thought that incompatibility between Muslim and Western values was a big contributor to terrorism," IDA managing director Pam Ryan said.

"After an intense weekend of ... discussions, information from a vast array of points of view and persuasions, and the opportunity to ask questions of competing experts, the Australians surveyed shifted their opinions dramatically.

"On the question of terrorism, the number who thought an incompatibility between values was a big contributor dropped from 49 per cent to 22 per cent."
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Re: Is Islam inherently violent?
Reply #46 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 6:52pm
 
What a load of propogandist
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I also cant believe those who swallowed that apologetic Shite.
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Reply #47 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 6:58pm
 
How many muslims have you spoken to about their beliefs?
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Reply #48 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 7:08pm
 
About 50.
You know what i saw today, a little arab boy of about 5 yrs old screaming out ''bugger off aussies, i hate you aussies,i love allah''. while his father and another were up on the porch laughing and praising him. Angry
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Reply #49 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 11:33pm
 
Do you people actually like looking at this face everyday
Well you wouldnt mind if you live in a clean area free of infestation- Dont worry, they'll come to you eventually as they run out of room for the next generation.
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Reply #50 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 12:02am
 
It's propaganda freediver. It's pretty obvious.
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Reply #51 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 9:36am
 
Yes, I see plenty of propaganda here.
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Lakemba's Muslim clerics gagged
Reply #52 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:08am
 
Note the last sentence, where he speaks to the media in support of the ban on speaking to the media.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Lakembas-Muslim-clerics-gagged/2007/03/09/1173166904939.html

Five of Australia's most powerful Islamic clerics, including Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali, have been banned from talking to the media by Muslim leaders.

The Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA) has gagged the imams from Lakemba Mosque in Sydney's south-west to stop them delivering "anti-Australian" messages, The Australian newspaper reports.

The ban, which especially applies to commentary in the Arabic media, is a bid to stop the "immeasurable damage" the clerics have caused to the community.

The letter threatened the imams with losing their positions as spiritual leaders at Australia's largest mosque should they speak to the media.

LMA president Tom Zreika said the ban was a bid to end the perceived "un-Australian viewpoints given by some clerics" and contradictions between comments made to English- and Arabic-speaking news outlets.

"One of the big issues is the double-speak by the various imams," Mr Zreika told the paper.

The gagging order follows the uproar caused by comments by Sheik Alhilali last year comparing women to "uncovered meat".

The mufti then compounded the controversy by later disparaging Australia's convict heritage.

Mr Zreika said he wanted the imams to stay out of politics and concentrate on their spiritual responsibilities.

Sheik Shadi told the paper he supported the LMA's ban as it was in the best interests of the Muslim and wider community.
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quotes from the Quran
Reply #53 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:50am
 
on his death bed, the Prophet Mohammed said "do not worship me the same way the christians worship Jesus. i am only a man, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah"

"do not begin hostilities, since Allah does not like transgessors"
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Re: quotes from the Quran
Reply #54 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:21am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:50am:
"do not begin hostilities, since Allah does not like transgessors"


well if that quote is in the Quran, then i'm guessing some muslims ignore it.

but still, that does kind of prove that Islam as a religion is a peaceful one, all u can really argue is that some muslims are violent.
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Reply #55 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:32am
 
To me the other statement speaks even louder. If 'the prophet' were just a man, then his statements should be viewed in their historical context (very violent times) and not taken as a more general guide to moral choice. It also calls into question the establishment of Islam as a separate religion.
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Reply #56 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:35am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:32am:
To me the other statement speaks even louder. If 'the prophet' were just a man, then his statements should be viewed in their historical context (very violent times) and not taken as a more general guide to moral choice. It also calls into question the establishment of Islam as a separate religion.


i'll agree that statements from holy scriptures, regardless of the religion, need to be taken within their historical context.
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Reply #57 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 10:12pm
 
I think the problem is a wider human problem, when people conduct their politics or their propaganda in the name of religion. The Isrealis do it, the Americans do it also and it apears that some Muslims are also doing it.

Ironicaly, Tony Blair received a huge backlash in the UK when he tried the same thing. Maybe it has something to do with our general rejection of religion in British popular culture, whereas in deeply religious countries countries it moves the population to back what you say.
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Rioter should spend year in jail: court
Reply #58 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 10:01am
 
I think Europe just has more experience of where that sort of thing leads. America may have to re-learn that lesson, and the middle east is re-learning it the very hard way.



http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/rioter-should-spend-year-in-jail-court/2007/03/12/1173548096871.html

Prosecutors are seeking a one-year jail sentence for a Sydney teenager who repeatedly punched a man in the head on a train during the Cronulla riot.

Brent David Lohman, 19, of Caringbah in Sydney's south, was among a group of about 12 people who attacked Ali Hashimi on a train at Cronulla railway station on December 11, 2005.

Lohman, who was draped in an Australian flag at the time of the attack, was one of hundreds of people to converge on the station looking for people of Middle Eastern appearance.
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Reply #59 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 12:22pm
 
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