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Reply #60 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 12:40pm
 
How do you feel about the actions of those rioters AN?
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Reply #62 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 12:51pm
 
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i guessing because Aussie Nationalist thinks the actions of those rioters were okay, but he can't justify it so he prefers to say "No Comment"
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Reply #63 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 1:04pm
 
and we wonder why 'they' have trouble integrating with us....
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Reply #64 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:33pm
 
I justify those attacks by saying that people of Middle Eastern appearance should have been smart enough not to show up in that area in the first place.

There was media advertissment all week that there was going to be a protest... and still ... people of Middle Eastern appearance still had the nerve to show up anyway. To me, they were asking for it.

I can't justify the follow-up attacks though... attacking a separate suburb... for no good reason. Smashing eighty cars, causing serious property damage, stabbing a man in the back, hitting an old lady over the head with a baseball bat.

Cronulla was DEFENSIVE... whereas the Middle Eastern revenge attacks were OFFENSIVE (In two ways).

That's how it can be justified.
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Reply #65 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:40pm
 
Here Here DT. Smiley
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Reply #66 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:43pm
 
That doesn't make any sense DT. They were both offensive. It is not acceptable for people to be expected to stay out of an area because of their appearance.
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Reply #67 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 
Muslims abusing locals for a few decades and a protest is triggered by lifeguards being bashed. Sounds defensive to me.  Roll Eyes

Also, Muslims carried out their attacks in a suburb other than their own... whereas, Cronulla people were merely defending their hometown.

Muslims went to another suburb = Offensive
Australians staying in their own suburb = Defensive

How on earth did you come to your conclusion freediver, that both events were 'offensive?'  Huh
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Reply #68 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 6:00pm
 
Even by your own description they were both offensive. This isn't trench warfare.
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Reply #69 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 6:03pm
 
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Oh dear, where's your argument disappeared to, freediver?  Grin
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Reply #70 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
Holding a protest doesn't give the right to inflict violence. If what you are saying is true, that the Muslims should have stayed away, then this is more than just a protest, it's more in line with right wing rallies akin to the KKK or the Nazi party. Just because you are protesting against or for an issue isn't a cause to take up arms, it's a protest.

To suggest that people or policy that the protest is about should "stay away" defies this as an act of protest in the first place. If that's the case, then surely what you are suggesting is that it was an organised race riot.

The point is, we do live side by side with people from all races and religions and there is always going to spectrum of viewpoints as to how your neighbours live, whatever their colour or background. That goes both ways. But when problems arise like the lifeguard bashing, that needs to be dealt with  extremely carefully. To justify bashing "them" back only puts you in the same bracket as the Muslims you are protesting against.

We live in a democratic society governed by laws. Bashing whether you consider it to be defencive or offensive is still wrong and thankfully still illegal. If the riots didn't happen then there would be far less sympathy for those responsible for the original attacks on the beach. As it happens, the World now sees the latent racism that exists in Australia. A racism that treats Aboriginals so appallingly, that is terrified of being invaded by Asia but Australia is a country - like America - that is built on immigrants. It seems very harsh for one immigrant descendant to say the other is wrong for being there when the only people who deserve to be there were treated like dogs and are now living in camps with very few benefits.

The difference now, is that with increasing public right wing actions, the rest of the World is starting to understand that hypocrisy. if you truly are a nationalist, then embrace the multicultural society that you live in and learn and teach others how to do the same.
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Reply #71 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 8:15pm
 


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But when problems arise like the lifeguard bashing, that needs to be dealt with  extremely carefully.


Of course leon. careful and sympathetic when an ethnic does a crime, But hard and merciless when a white does a crime Angry

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To justify bashing "them" back only puts you in the same bracket as the Muslims you are protesting against.


Why? its OUR country.

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If the riots didn't happen then there would be far less sympathy for those responsible for the original attacks on the beach.


Thats the beautiful thing- NOBODY feels sympathetic towards the original perpetrators of the lifeguard bashing.

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As it happens, the World now sees the latent racism that exists in Australia.


Why the hell should we care what anyone else thinks. Its an internal issue.

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A racism that treats Aboriginals so appallingly



Hows that? we give em lots of money, free housing and petrol.

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that is terrified of being invaded by Asia but Australia is a country - like America - that is built on immigrants.


WHITE IMMIGRANTS


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It seems very harsh for one immigrant descendant to say the other is wrong for being there when the only people who deserve to be there were treated like dogs and are now living in camps with very few benefits.


Are you talking about the boat people? they came here illegally.

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if you truly are a nationalist, then embrace the multicultural society


Thats a stupid remark! Do you even know what Nationalists stand for?


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learn and teach others how to do the same.


We try, its up to them to listen. 90% dont.
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Re: Is Islam inherently violent?
Reply #72 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 8:18pm
 
Spend a good few hours writing up that 'essay' Leon?  Wink

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Holding a protest doesn't give the right to inflict violence. Just because you are protesting against or for an issue isn't a cause to take up arms, it's a protest.


Is there a written RULE or something I wasn't aware of, Leon?


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If what you are saying is true, that the Muslims should have stayed away, then this is more than just a protest, it's more in line with right wing rallies akin to the KKK or the Nazi party.


Give me a break!  Roll Eyes
That's politically correct filth, Leon.


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To suggest that people or policy that the protest is about should "stay away" defies this as an act of protest in the first place. If that's the case, then surely what you are suggesting is that it was an organised race riot.


Middle Eastern gangs for decades were attacking people of Australian appearance and hastling locals. Australians therefore attacked anyone of Middle Eastern appearance... If you'd like to call it 'race protests' go ahead, I'm certainly not calling it that.


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The point is, we do live side by side with people from all races and religions and there is always going to spectrum of viewpoints as to how your neighbours live, whatever their colour or background. That goes both ways. But when problems arise like the lifeguard bashing, that needs to be dealt with  extremely carefully. To justify bashing "them" back only puts you in the same bracket as the Muslims you are protesting against.


Did the protest work? You betcha it did. It did not fail, it succeeded. For years they were 'trying to let the police handle the situation' but it failed. So SCREW your form of protests, Leon.


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We live in a democratic society governed by laws. Bashing whether you consider it to be defencive or offensive is still wrong and thankfully still illegal.


No sh1t?


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If the riots didn't happen then there would be far less sympathy for those responsible for the original attacks on the beach.


And if the protests DIDN'T happen... the Lebanese gangs would be still harrassing locals wouldn't they? We'd continue to tolerate them for another generation until maybe (Emphasis on maybe) their kids won't be so bad.

And on the contrary, the Cronulla protests also worked because it EXPOSED the extent of the Muslim problem when dozens of Lebanese and Middle Eastern morons carried out the 'revenge attacks' the following two nights. It built up people's awareness just how bad the Middle Eastern problem is in Sydney.


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As it happens, the World now sees the latent racism that exists in Australia.


Who cares? They're obviously misinformed and we know better.

Just let me point out though... that it was reported across the world that 'Australians are racist' when they left out a 'little' detail in their reporting...
THE LIFEGUARDS WHO WERE BASHED
. Can you believe, that this story was reported across the world without actually reporting that it was the Muslim gangs who actually sparked this protest??


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A racism that treats Aboriginals so appallingly, that is terrified of being invaded by Asia but Australia is a country - like America - that is built on immigrants.


Aboriginals are RACIALLY abused??? LMAO  Roll Eyes

Have you even ever MET an Aboriginal, or seen racist attacks on Aboriginals, Leon? I highly doubt it with that politically correct drivel of yours.


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It seems very harsh for one immigrant descendant to say the other is wrong for being there when the only people who deserve to be there were treated like dogs and are now living in camps with very few benefits.

The difference now, is that with increasing public right wing actions, the rest of the World is starting to understand that hypocrisy.


Whatever. The Aboriginals were conquered fair and square, and Europeans established Australia as a European country. End of story. Survival of the fittest. Darwns Evolution Theory. It was inevitable that the Aboriginal culture would die. If it wasn't carried out by Europeans, another country would have eventually done the same.


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Reply #73 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 8:25pm
 
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Middle Eastern gangs for decades were attacking people of Australian appearance and hastling locals. Australians therefore attacked anyone of Middle Eastern appearance... If you'd like to call it 'race protests' go ahead, I'm certainly not calling it that.


Well said.


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And if the protests DIDN'T happen... the Lebanese gangs would be still harrassing locals wouldn't they? We'd continue to tolerate them for another generation until maybe (Emphasis on maybe) their kids won't be so bad.


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Whatever. The Aboriginals were conquered fair and square, and Europeans established Australia as a European country. End of story. Survival of the fittest. Darwns Evolution Theory. It was inevitable that the Aboriginal culture would die. If it wasn't carried out by Europeans, another country would have eventually done the same.


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Reply #74 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 10:50pm
 
Leon wrote on Mar 13th, 2007 at 7:57pm:
Holding a protest doesn't give the right to inflict violence. If what you are saying is true, that the Muslims should have stayed away, then this is more than just a protest, it's more in line with right wing rallies akin to the KKK or the Nazi party. Just because you are protesting against or for an issue isn't a cause to take up arms, it's a protest.

To suggest that people or policy that the protest is about should "stay away" defies this as an act of protest in the first place. If that's the case, then surely what you are suggesting is that it was an organised race riot.

The point is, we do live side by side with people from all races and religions and there is always going to spectrum of viewpoints as to how your neighbours live, whatever their colour or background. That goes both ways. But when problems arise like the lifeguard bashing, that needs to be dealt with  extremely carefully. To justify bashing "them" back only puts you in the same bracket as the Muslims you are protesting against.

We live in a democratic society governed by laws. Bashing whether you consider it to be defencive or offensive is still wrong and thankfully still illegal. If the riots didn't happen then there would be far less sympathy for those responsible for the original attacks on the beach. As it happens, the World now sees the latent racism that exists in Australia. A racism that treats Aboriginals so appallingly, that is terrified of being invaded by Asia but Australia is a country - like America - that is built on immigrants. It seems very harsh for one immigrant descendant to say the other is wrong for being there when the only people who deserve to be there were treated like dogs and are now living in camps with very few benefits.

The difference now, is that with increasing public right wing actions, the rest of the World is starting to understand that hypocrisy. if you truly are a nationalist, then embrace the multicultural society that you live in and learn and teach others how to do the same.


Very well said.

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Is there a written RULE or something I wasn't aware of, Leon? 

Yes trump there is, its the law of the country, written very clearly and people paid the legal price for acting in the way they did. You can't expect a Muslim minority to obey our laws whilst claiming it is fair for white 'nationalists' to disobey them in special cases... namely bashing ethnic minorities. You will only breed animosity and create a problem that never existed.
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