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Is Islam inherently violent?
Feb 5th, 2007 at 12:34pm
 
Is Islam an inherently violent religion? Is it more violent than other religions?
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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2007 at 8:48pm
 
YES.
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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2007 at 2:45am
 
A big fat yes from me.

Care for an explanation or are you happy with just an opinion?
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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2007 at 8:44am
 
An explanation would be great.
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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2007 at 9:28am
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Hindus-Muslims-protest-Valentines-Day/2007/02/14/1171405299462.html

It was hardly a Hallmark moment.

As a Valentine's Day card smoldered, more than 100 members of the Hindu extremist group Shiv Sena gathered in central New Delhi chanted "Death to Valentine's Day" and "People who celebrate Valentine's Day should be pelted with shoes!"

Across the country, stores stocked heart-shaped balloons and chocolates, restaurants offered Valentine's Day specials and young lovers found refuge from prying eyes in the parks.

It's a state of affairs that enrages Hindu and Muslim hard-liners, who on Wednesday vented just as they do every Valentine's Day - burning cards, holding rallies and even threatening to beat couples caught canoodling in public, a strict no-no for those who claim to defend traditional Indian values.

Goel and his indignant followers left soon after when about 60 riot police stopped them from advancing on nearby restaurants offering Valentine's Day specials.

Weather intervened to stop Hindu extremists in the northern city of Lucknow from carrying out their threats to beat couples found kissing, hugging or even holding hands in public. With torrential rains pouring down, young lovers stayed out of the parks where the usually seek privacy.
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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2007 at 4:55pm
 
Well... aside from the obvious...

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Here are a few reasons I consider Islam to be inherently violent:

1) The Quran itself

Have you read the thing lately? It is nowhere near as violent as the bible.

Check out a few quotes from the Quran.

Quote:
Kill
disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then
kill
them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2


Quote:
War
is
ordained
by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight,
whether they like it or not
. 2:216


Quote:
Have no unbelieving friends.
Kill
the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89


Quote:
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace,
kill
them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91


Quote:
Cut off the hands
of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38



2) The actions of Muslims themselves.

Terrorists, cartoon protests, causing problems in every western country across the world, a distinct history of conquest and slaughter throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Europe (Neverending). Need I say more?



Now... one of the reasons people claim that Muslims aren't violent is because there are certain peaceful Muslim countries in the world... namely, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc etc.

However, it's my belief that Muslims are only peaceful once they are living among themselves and there are no opposing religions or cultures within their region.

This is demonstrated with the term 'religion of peace.' It's an actual fact that they only consider it a 'religion of peace' once people 'submit' to Allah. As in, 'peace' will only come once the entire world submits to being a Muslim.
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Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2007 at 5:56pm
 
Does this not convince?
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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 3:59am
 
Has me convinced.   Cool
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Reply #8 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 1:44pm
 
I think we would have to look at their point of veiw, before coming to a definate conclusion. 
Have they been complaining about our treatment towards them ?
Perhaps we did not hears these comlaints because, it was in our best intersts, not to know ?
How serious is their complaint over western treatment ?
Is it life endangering ?
How long has it gone on for ?
Would they be bashing each other , if Western goverement were not playing their fiddle ?
or indeed other countries were not provoking the situation all the time ?
When I answered these questions to myself, I came to the thought that we have been giving these guys a  rough time for a long a time. I dont advocate reactions but I think it helps people when they are listened to, or when they first air compliants.
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Reply #9 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 3:57pm
 
Oh great a BLOODY HIPPY!
You dont seriously believe what you just wrote do you?
They started it! well, actually it was Israel but i think they are just as bad.
Do you like Karl Marx?
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I think we would have to look at their point of veiw, before coming to a definate conclusion.   
Have they been complaining about our treatment towards them ? 
Perhaps we did not hears these comlaints because, it was in our best intersts, not to know ?
How serious is their complaint over western treatment ?
Is it life endangering ?
How long has it gone on for ?
Would they be bashing each other , if Western goverement were not playing their fiddle ?
or indeed other countries were not provoking the situation all the time ?
When I answered these questions to myself, I came to the thought that we have been giving these guys a  rough time for a long a time. I dont advocate reactions but I think it helps people when they are listened to, or when they first air compliants.
love n peace 


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Reply #11 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 12:18pm
 
Do those quotes from the Quran violate any local laws?
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Do those quotes from the Quran violate any local laws?


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Reply #13 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 1:35pm
 
not sure what freediver meant by that.

but whenever someone simply quotes from a religions scripture, be it the Torah, Bible or Koran, i am a bit skeptical since i reckon with any such book u need to put the quotes in context to understand it properly not just blately quote them without explaining it.

i don't know much about the Koran, so i can't really comment on whether the quotes provided were accurately reflected, but i can give u an example of what i mean from the bible.

Matthew 10:34 states that Jesus said: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

at first glance, that sounds like Jesus was encouraging people to fight war and kill people in the name of his religion, i.e. it sounds like a violent quote. but when u put the quote in context, u realise what Jesus meant was that he will always have enemies, and these enemies would never offer him peace since they do not believe. so when properly explained, then u realise the quote isn't a violent one at all.

and freediver was initially asking about whether Islam is a violent religion, i.e. he was asking about the religion, not the people that claim to follow it (i.e. muslims). therefore, i wouldn't use the actions of muslims as proof that islam is a violent religion since not all muslims may be following their faith properly and they may be motivated by other non-religious factors (e.g. Saddam loyalists in Iraq are motivated by nationalist, rather than religious reasons).





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Reply #14 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 1:40pm
 
I meant that it is inciting people to violence. Is that illegal?
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