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Reply #45 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 10:59am
 
I agree with the idea of compulsory national service.
They could do all sorts of national work, not just shooting at targets.

it'ld help Aussie and Australians.
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Reply #46 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 11:00am
 
People are prepared to fight and die for this country and for our way of life. One of the things they are prepared to fight for is universal suffrage, which is what you want to take away. Being prepared to fight for your country, and being prepared to join some dodgy militia with nothing to do are not the same thing.
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Reply #47 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 4:57pm
 
This is interesting. I've seen people suggest something similar for Australia.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html

Barack Obama's recent words to promote his image as Community Organizer in Chief were not about forming a paramilitary force of volunteer brown shirts. They were about turning America into one, giant, community organizer's sandbox at enormous cost to taxpayers.


Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his July 2 speech (yet another one where naming Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was required) in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released script and performed without the teleprompter net saying,


"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (emphasis added)


The immediate context for that amazing statement was a preview of parts of his plan to vastly expand community service opportunities for Americans of nearly all ages. He said,


"People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve."


The range of his community service initiatives was outlined in an earlier American Thinker article. In his campaign document entitled "The Blueprint for Change: Barack Obama's Plan For America," Obama's "Service" section runs a close second to "Education" in complexity. But, with his Colorado Springs' statement, it grabbed first place in its projected costs to taxpayers. Obama did the cost projection himself.


He plans to double the Peace Corps' budget by 2011, and expand AmeriCorps, USA Freedom Corps, VISTA, YouthBuild Program, and the Senior Corps. Plus, he proposes to form a Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veterans Corps, Homeland Security Corps, Global Energy Corps, and a Green Jobs Corps. Here a corps - there a corps - everywhere a corps corps.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/barack_obama_the_community_org.html

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601
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Reply #48 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 6:18pm
 

I hate to admit it, but I actually agree with sprint here.

National service could really do a lot to fix some of the serious disclipine problems Australia is facing.
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Reply #49 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2008 at 11:00am:
People are prepared to fight and die for this country and for our way of life. One of the things they are prepared to fight for is universal suffrage, which is what you want to take away. Being prepared to fight for your country, and being prepared to join some dodgy militia with nothing to do are not the same thing.



Agree. Compulsory NS is either huge drain on taxpayers money for little economical return or coercion into serfdom.
It doesn't promote discipline but increase sophistication of criminal gangs. Dictatorial governments like nazi or commies loved it but Australia isn't like that   ...... yet.






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Reply #50 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 8:57pm
 
Good on you Abu.

No need to disagree with everything I say, just cause it's me.
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Reply #51 - Nov 6th, 2008 at 9:13pm
 
Howard?

Howard mantra?
You blaming howard again?
He increased spending on defence mantra.
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Reply #52 - Nov 7th, 2008 at 5:22pm
 
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Howard?

Howard mantra?
You blaming howard again?
He increased spending on defence mantra.


Strange!  I only recall saying in this thread that Howard disarmed us .  But if he is being blamed for something else - my answer is yes - he's guilty.
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Reply #53 - Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:26pm
 
Well no actually you mentioned Howard a few days back and chided me for chiding you.

At least you could admit you were wrong and apologise for blaming him for something else again.
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Reply #54 - Nov 7th, 2008 at 6:41pm
 
I only admit I'm wrong when I am wrong and that's a very rare occurrence. 

If I blamed him for something, because he's to blame for everything, I would have been right.
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Reply #55 - Nov 7th, 2008 at 8:42pm
 
yawn..

so how long do we have to wait till you admit you were wrong again this time?

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Reply #56 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 6:23am
 
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so how long do we have to wait till you admit you were wrong again this time?


I can't even remember what I was supposed to have written.  I rarely mention Howard these days because there's a new PM to "dislike", although Rudd's incompetency will always be preferable to Howard's despotic reign of terror.

If Rudd introduces national service for school leavers and skills the rest of the population up a little in defence in case of a future invasion - this wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Reply #57 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 10:56am
 
Cant bring yourself to apologise and admit you were lying and wrong...

oh dear what is the world coming to?
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Reply #58 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 11:40am
 
What in God's name are you talking about Grendel?

You have some obscure notion that I've bad mouthed Howard somewhere in another thread and then expect me to apologise for nothing.

Are you trying to start a pseudo argument?  Bad idea - because you know I always win.   

I don't lie and I'm rarely wrong.  Shocked
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Reply #59 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 12:06pm
 
mantra wrote on Nov 8th, 2008 at 11:40am:
What in God's name are you talking about Grendel?

You have some obscure notion that I've bad mouthed Howard somewhere in another thread and then expect me to apologise for nothing.

Are you trying to start a pseudo argument?  Bad idea - because you know I always win.  

I don't lie and I'm rarely wrong.  Shocked


God you're a bore boofy," stop pickin on the rodent" as Mantra said if she blamed the rodent for somthing, he deserved it.
You can thank the little t urd for the economic crisis we're in, along with his bum chum george w.
As far as national service is concerned, I hate it, I dont see the point sending people off to train to be soldiers if they don't want to, I remember Vietnam, and it was ugly.
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