Australian Politics Forum - public vs private education

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Re: public vs private education
Reply #45 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:37pm

I would put more emphasis on student’s dedication to obtain education.

If not very bright kid tries very hard should be allowed to study, on the other hand kid that is disruptive and doesn’t try at all should be given back to parents as there should be no room in school for somebody who doesn’t make any effort.

Quite simple.

You don’t need the best teacher to learn as you can learn a lot of stuff from books, now even computer programs, Internet.
Of course fantastic teacher will make big difference, but uninterested student will not benefit if is bent on not trying.

As some say: we don’t need too many chiefs.

Those who realise later that should have study when they were young, there is plenty opportunity at their own time, but there is always best time to be educated and later in life isn’t one of them.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48862 At my desk.	Re: public vs private education Reply #46 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 10:08pm Mozz, you criticise our system for being two tiered. Isn't it the Finnish system that is two tiered?
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Reply #47 - Jan 15^th, 2010 at 10:04am

Happy wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:37pm:

I would put more emphasis on student’s dedication to obtain education.

If not very bright kid tries very hard should be allowed to study, on the other hand kid that is disruptive and doesn’t try at all should be given back to parents as there should be no room in school for somebody who doesn’t make any effort.

Quite simple.

You don’t need the best teacher to learn as you can learn a lot of stuff from books, now even computer programs, Internet.
Of course fantastic teacher will make big difference, but uninterested student will not benefit if is bent on not trying.

As some say: we don’t need too many chiefs.

Those who realise later that should have study when they were young, there is plenty opportunity at their own time, but there is always best time to be educated and later in life isn’t one of them.

I couldn't agree more. If somebody wants to learn, they should be given every opportunity.

On the question of the cost of education that others are talking about, the factor that should come into play is the cost benefit analysis.

If we find that society benefits in the long term through increased investment in education, it must be possible to measure the tangible benefit in some way and thus justify the expenditure.

I don't think we do enough of that in Australia. My impressions are that the government tends to be less concerned with a rational approach than an approach of oiling the squeaky wheels in order to stay in power.

Any thoughts?

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Re: public vs private education
Reply #48 - Jan 15^th, 2010 at 10:17am

muso wrote on Jan 15^th, 2010 at 10:04am:

Happy wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:37pm:

I would put more emphasis on student’s dedication to obtain education.

If not very bright kid tries very hard should be allowed to study, on the other hand kid that is disruptive and doesn’t try at all should be given back to parents as there should be no room in school for somebody who doesn’t make any effort.

Quite simple.

You don’t need the best teacher to learn as you can learn a lot of stuff from books, now even computer programs, Internet.
Of course fantastic teacher will make big difference, but uninterested student will not benefit if is bent on not trying.

As some say: we don’t need too many chiefs.

Those who realise later that should have study when they were young, there is plenty opportunity at their own time, but there is always best time to be educated and later in life isn’t one of them.

I couldn't agree more. If somebody wants to learn, they should be given every opportunity.

On the question of the cost of education that others are talking about, the factor that should come into play is the cost benefit analysis.

If we find that society benefits in the long term through increased investment in education, it must be possible to measure the tangible benefit in some way and thus justify the expenditure.

I don't think we do enough of that in Australia. My impressions are that the government tends to be less concerned with a rational approach than an approach of oiling the squeaky wheels in order to stay in power.

Any thoughts?

if we are going to do education on a const return basis we need to have less in uni and more in tafe...

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: public vs private education Reply #49 - Nov 30^th, 2011 at 10:23am Here is a thread imcrook could have added to.
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Reply #50 - Nov 30^th, 2011 at 10:27am

Happy wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:37pm:

I would put more emphasis on student’s dedication to obtain education.

If not very bright kid tries very hard should be allowed to study, on the other hand kid that is disruptive and doesn’t try at all should be given back to parents as there should be no room in school for somebody who doesn’t make any effort.

Quite simple.

You don’t need the best teacher to learn as you can learn a lot of stuff from books, now even computer programs, Internet.
Of course fantastic teacher will make big difference, but uninterested student will not benefit if is bent on not trying.

As some say: we don’t need too many chiefs.

Those who realise later that should have study when they were young, there is plenty opportunity at their own time, but there is always best time to be educated and later in life isn’t one of them.

We have this in a sense with selective schools. You do need to be bright and dedicated to get in them though.

Only trouble is they are rorted to some degree. Certain cultures which have pushy parents, and the kids play 5 instruments by 7 years old, and do 10 hours of outside school tutoring a week, tend to flood the selective schools.

Parents, like me, of reasonably smart kids, who would rather they play in the tree house than learn the obo, tend to miss out.

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Question: How much should private education be subsidised?
ban it - all education should be public 2 (11.8%) no subsidies at all 7 (41.2%) half of what public education costs (per student) 0 (0.0%) same as what public education costs 6 (35.3%) half of the full cost 0 (0.0%) whatever saves the government the most money 2 (11.8%) Total votes: 17 « Created by: freediver on: Mar 3^rd, 2007 at 6:38pm »