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HITLER. WHY DID HE HATE THE JEWS.?
Mar 8th, 2007 at 4:45pm
 
Was just a  having a look at the terrorism thread and a comment by Aussie Nationalist sparked an interest of mine..a burning question..


Why did Hitler hate Jews and why did he believe they were a global threat to his ambition to dominate the world.?

Ive heard that Jews are in monetary positions of power the world over..banks, treasurey..John Howard for example I was told he was a jew and he was treasurer here for a period.

Your thoughts Aus. Nat? and everyone of course. Cool



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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 5:21pm
 
I think a bigger question is why do so many people hate Jews? Hitler's views were not exactly rare at the time. I think it's just envy. If you are poor and you see someone from a different background doing much better than you, you suspect that they are scheming against you.
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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 5:28pm
 
So jews were generaly more affluent than the Germans? and other cultural groups..?

So the start of WW2 was based in envy ? Money being the 'root of all evil'? Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 5:35pm
 
I'm not sure if they were generally more affluent, though it is possible. It was more to do with being a visible minorty group, one of the few that isn't generally poorer. They were a convenient scapegoat when things went wrong. People always used to blame the jews for the plague.
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Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:39am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2007 at 5:35pm:
I'm not sure if they were generally more affluent, though it is possible. It was more to do with being a visible minorty group, one of the few that isn't generally poorer. They were a convenient scapegoat when things went wrong. People always used to blame the jews for the plague.


yeah that's true, it seems that whenever a country has a problem of some sort they just point the finger at the minority group saying it's all their fault. it's just easier that way, rather than having to actually solve the problem.

it still happens today, first we hated jews, then we hated communists, then asians, and now muslims.

but there was a rumour that Hitler himself was Jewish. but that hasn't been proven, so i don't believe it.
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Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 4:22pm
 
Ill answer tomorrow, im off to the pub. Smiley
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Reply #6 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 4:22pm
 
Good to see so many people 'in the know' about issues such as this.  Roll Eyes

Hitler was too ambitious. End of story. That's how he failed. It wasn't because of the Americans entering the war, nor was it his 'failed' invasion of Britain. It was because he elected to invade the USSR. Funny thing is... he almost got away with it. It was his hunger and ambition that was the end of him. He thought that Germany was powerful enough to fight two wars on two fronts. Of course, we now know that this was inevitable failure.

Onto the issue of the Jews...

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Why did Hitler hate Jews and why did he believe they were a global threat to his ambition to dominate the world.?

Ive heard that Jews are in monetary positions of power the world over..banks, treasurey..John Howard for example I was told he was a jew and he was treasurer here for a period.


This is true, and it's still true to this very day. I don't think there are many Jews within the OBVIOUS positions of power throughout the world... ie... politics. But there is DEFINITELY a presence of Jews in other less obvious positions of power... World Banks, LAW, business leaders, MEDIA.
This was the same thing back in the 30's. Were they prominent in politics? No. Were they prominent in Business, Law and the media? Hell yeah.
For example, look at Hollywood producers and TV executives in America (The most powerful country in the world). They control the hearts and minds of America and large sections of the western world. What's a greater power? -To control the Government, or to control the minds of the masses? I say the media. My question is, why does such a small minority in America have such a big influence in political opinion and social opinion? They will clearly be bias when dealing with foreign policy and Christainity or Islam.


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I think a bigger question is why do so many people hate Jews? Hitler's views were not exactly rare at the time. I think it's just envy. If you are poor and you see someone from a different background doing much better than you, you suspect that they are scheming against you.


I see you clearly know nothing about this issue, freediver, except of course for the most 'popular' politically correct view, of course.  Roll Eyes

1) Jews are by far the biggest RACISTS (Yes, that's right 'Racists') on the planet.
I've always thought, "If thinking your race is superior to another, why is it then that the Jews can say they're the 'Chosen people?'"
Have you ever heard the opinion of the Jews about the Arabs? Pwwwaor. Talk about one-eyed. Is it any wonder that people don't like them? When people act above you, you generally get your ass kicked, or better yet, gassed. I think they have quite a nerve to declare themselves a separate race or culture within someone elses community and declare themselves superior. It's the same as the Lebanes, except in a more articulate way.

2) Most Jews support immigration and multiculturalism. Immigration, because A) They get cheap labour. B) Because it says in genesis (Or Exodus, forget which one) that they have to except outsiders as the Egyptians did to them. And Jews support Multiculturalism (Not surprisingly) because they're a different culture themselves living within a dominant culture. Probably also to get the attention off themselves. -Bare in mind though, not every Jew supports multiculturalism, as there are odd ones out in every culture and race. Immigration and Multiculturalism isn't exactly the most 'popular' of policies among host countries.

3) Jews and the New Testament. Jews have always been scapegoated by Christians and Muslims throughout history for killing Christ and generally acting like assholes (Betraying moses etc).


The list goes on... but I couldn't be bothered listing em' right now. Freediver, do further research into this topic, it's a lot broader than you think, and I think most people would find it quite shocking and disturbing than the 'politically correct' views of Jewish people. For example, did anyone know that David Beckam is Jewish??? A betcha you didn't.  Wink

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Reply #7 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 4:58pm
 
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I think a bigger question is why do so many people hate Jews? Hitler's views were not exactly rare at the time. I think it's just envy. If you are poor and you see someone from a different background doing much better than you, you suspect that they are scheming against you.


Maybe these are some reasons why:

Jews got off to a bad start by being the only people allowed to charge interest on loans during Roman (or was it earlier?) times. Obviously, things have changed since then, but the stigma sticks as Jews being very money focussed.

Judaism considers its people to be chosen by God. This is often misconstrued by non-Jews as a sign of superiority.

Judaism is a very strong religion, with a focus as much on race as on spirituality. In a sense, it is viewed as a closed shop to outsiders, which can be confronting.

Fatalism. Many Jews consider they are destined to suffer, as this is proclaimed in the scriptures, and so they are prepared to suffer. Correct on a literal interpretation. The same argument could be used for being recognised as the chosen people. Christians are 'lucky', in the sense that Jesus was the lamb of God who took on the suffering and died for them.

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Reply #8 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 5:22pm
 
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Hitler was too ambitious.


He was a megalomaniac and narcissist. And like all leaders who hold such views, is destined to fail.
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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 5:22pm
 

One thing that does annoy me about modern Jewish doctrine is the continual focus on the Holocaust, as if they were the only victims. What about the homosexuals, gypsies and disabled?

Why isn't there more focus on the decimation of the Ukrainians by Hitler and Stalin? There may have been over 20 million killed, which is 3 times the number of Jews massacred.
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Reply #10 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 5:36pm
 
Read in a web article from Oxford Uni in Britian the other day that Adolph was a bit of a pill popper(amphetamines) and a heavy one at that.Would explain a lot
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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 5:40pm
 
DonaldTrump has it, really Jews (not necessarily all) can be very racist people. Israel is one of the worst countries for continuing aparthied like conditions with the way they treat native arabs. Completely foreign Jews have rights to land and such in Israel that native muslims are denied. Segregation is enforced and there exists laws for Jews and laws for non-Jews. Israel has also invaded surrounding countries and maintains occupied land to this day.

Hitler, with good reason or not, seriously did believe Jews posed a threat to his country. This was not baseless either, I'm not up on the full story but I do believe there were certain actions during the first world war involving Jewish betrayal that some nationalists saw as one reason they lost the war. The Nazis rose at least in part on this belief. It is true though that he lost the war because of ambition, not from a flawed ideology. One of the most important things to come out of the Nuremburg trials is the realisation that these men were perfectly sane and rational characters, not the rabid psychotics that people make them out to be. There is an important lesson in this fact alone - it was nationalism, not insanity and flawed ideology that fuelled the Nazi fire.

I really hate to point the finger at people here but Jews tend to be highly insular people and bring a lot of ill will upon themselves through their beliefs and behavior. I mean zionist beliefs in the 21st century is a bit stupid. Until Israel pulls out of its occupied territories, pulls down its walls surrounding said territories and gets religion completely out of its political system, loads of middle east tension and conflict will continue. Doing these things may not make violence end overnight, but it is an absolutely necessary first step - especially if we are really serious about this supposed 'war' on terrorism. It is important to note at this point that many native Jews in Israel do believe that they need to pull out of occupied territories and get religion out of government. So we can't just say "the joooz the jooooz!". It is stupid individuals that cause problems at the end of the day, not an entire religion.
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Reply #12 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 5:45pm
 
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I don't think there are many Jews within the OBVIOUS positions of power throughout the world... ie... politics.


Are you serious? Kissinger (ex secretary of state), Wolfowitz (current world bank president), Wolfensohn (world bank president before Wolfowitz), Greenspan (previous chairman of fed reserve), Joseph Liebermann, both the current governor and mayor of NY are Jewish.

Although not a politician, I reckon Monika Lewisnky had some clout!  Wink

Given that Judaism is the second largest religion in the US, I don't think it is disproportionate representation. As far as I know, there has never been a Jewish president.
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Reply #13 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 6:06pm
 
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I really hate to point the finger at people here but Jews tend to be highly insular people and bring a lot of ill will upon themselves through their beliefs and behavior.


This isn't confined to Judaism... Taliban, Amish, Shiite, Chrisitan fundamentalists. What about the Pilgrims (presbyterian) who founded America? They were so insular, they travelled across the Atlantic to get their own way! Wink

None of the Jewish people I know are orthodox, they all seem pretty normal to me.
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Reply #14 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 6:09pm
 
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Read in a web article from Oxford Uni in Britian the other day that Adolph was a bit of a pill popper(amphetamines) and a heavy one at that.Would explain a lot


The german army survived on amphetamines, and is one of the reasons they were so successful. Psychosis contributed to a lack of discipline in the troops, and their eventual downfall.
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