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But it doesn't mean it's ordained, that's why I provided you with examples of other things that are prophesised. A prophecy is just news, it is not a commandment in favour of, nor against something.

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A Muslim acts according to the *commands* of God, not according to what is prophesised as a future event.

freediver, what exactly does that mean?

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2008 at 6:51pm:

Then what is the point of the revelation if not to act on it? And there is only one possible righteous act (if it is true that God determines all future events and is not merely a passive observer) and that act would have to be submission (where God does not prescribe an alternative action).

If God chooses to reveal a future event to humanity, why would he not also expect submission to his will (acceptance of the event) when that event comes to pass?

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It is purely news/information. Acting upon it is not really permitted. Prophecies are generally seen as a sign of the omniscience of God, and some of the 'signs' that he's revealed about the future can be seen as warnings, but that's about it.

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All events are by the will of God. Not all events are sanctioned by the commands of God to the Muslims.

You are mixing two different things up here. God's commands to the universe, in the general sense that he is the overall controller of all things and God's commands to the Muslims as religious laws and regulations they should follow.

To put it into simpler terms that you might be able to relate to. If I told my child "You're going to be naughty all day aren't you" Does that mean I'm commanding/advising my child to be naughty? No, I'm just making a pessimistic observation about how I believe he will behave. That prognostication does not insinuate any approval on my part whatsoever of the naughty actions though.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2008 at 10:20pm:


Human prognostication is not divine revelation. Humans can be wrong, the deity cannot.

However, a closer approximation to my point along the lines of your analogy would be “The playground will be closed this afternoon, so you will not be able to play there today, no matter how hard you cry. Resistance is pointless.”

So if God reveals that the Jews will dwell in their promised land, then so they will. Wouldn’t any resistance to this therefore necessarily be doomed to failure?

If God reveals a future event, then that event must happen and railing against it will not alter the outcome.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2008 at 11:17pm:

The largest migration of Jews into the land since Babylon and 'gathered from a mingled crowd' is exactly the current situation. Could it be that the prophecy has been fulfilled?