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Yes I do, but it's still very ironic when it's used against Arabs, who are themselves Semites.

The correct term to use is anti-Zionist, and frankly, I don't accept any other claim, because it's based on Zionist propaganda that's attempting to associate justified Muslim/Arab resistance to the invasion and occupation of their land with Nazism, when quite clearly the Zionist ideology is the one that most resembles Nazism in this situation.

Your concerns about differentiating between 'Jewish', and 'Semitic", are obviously absent when talking about 'Jewish" and "Zionism".

Here is a little from an Arab show that uses a Mickey Mouse like character, to talk to very young muslim kids, it must make you so proud.


"Sanabel, what do you want to do to help the Al-Aqsa Mosque?" Farfur asks on the children's program of Hamas's Al-Aqsa television station. "We want to fight." "And what else?" "Wipe out the Jews."

Protests about using mickey mouse to promote such hatred saw them forced to withdraw the mouse character, which was followed by this..........

"International protests forced Hamas to take its Disney clone out of circulation. Al-Aqsa complied, but promptly turned Farfur's departure into an anti-Semitic statement: Farfur was clubbed to death by an Israeli official. Then the girl hosting the program turned to the camera and said: "You've seen how the Jews killed Farfur as a martyr. What do you want to say to the Jews?" A three-year-old girl named Shaima called into the show to say: "We don't like Jews, because they are dogs! We will fight them!" "Oh, Shaima, you're right," the girl in the studio replied, "the Jews are criminals and our enemies."


For the full article, titled
"Anti-Semitic Hate Speech In The Name Of Islam", follow the link;

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,553724,00.html

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Perhaps you should direct this to helian not me. I'm not the one who just wrote an entire post using it as a justification for the Zionist invasion and occupation of Palestine.

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Yes, and according to your claims the most virulent anti-Semites are the Arabs of Palestine right? Which means that's the last place Jew should be going.

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Out of sympathy for their fellow Muslims/Arabs.

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Is it? I don't think so. And it seems the exact same groups who are most vocal against the Jews are most vocal against the Muslims. The difference is the general public cheersquad doesn't feel as inhibited to join the chorus when it comes to Muslims, because it's not politically incorrect, as it is when it comes to Jews.

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Still you blame the insignficant effect of propaganda, and completely ignore the effect of the actual oppression and violence from which the sentiments ultimately stem. Whilst you and others like you continue to address the situation in this manner, no not much will change. The propganda is another of the symptoms of this cycle of violence, it is not the root cause. That is quite obviously the existence of the Zionist entity in Palestine, which you don't seem to want to admit. You can use all the excuses you like, Hitler convinced them to hate the Jews, Hamas cartoons convinced them to hate the Jews, but at the end of the day, that kid... who's probably lost at least one parent and probably a few siblings, maybe even a limb to the IDF your 'concern' for their 'indoctrination' is empty and misplaced.

Hitler was over ambitious, but more importantly he was an incompetent military leader.

He showed a small amount of flaire but ultimately it was his generals and his grunts that did what was ordered of them. It was his ridiculous demands and interference that lead to the loss on the Eastern Front.

The splitting of his forces, doubling his supply lines therefore delaying the taking of Moscow, which he did not see as a crucial political and military target, and delays or non existant reinforcements. Remember how close they came to taking Moscow (within sight) and how much territory the Germans had captured.

Sure the Russians had moved much infrastructure even further east, but with Moscow captured as well as every major city west of Moscow I doubt that there would have been much the Russians could have done, in the short term anyway.

The Jewish issue did not rear its head that much during the war, only after and in fact probably directed more sympathy to the Jewish community than they had enjoyed in 2000 odd years. The jews have been historically resented in many countries and many cultures. And Hitler's hard nosed attitude to them before the war was generally accepted and sometimes well recieved by other nations. So what happened to the jews had little effect on the outcome of the war.

The Americans entering the war was not well recieved by Hitler, who was royally pissed off with the Japanese. Germany might have done better also if it had not been so anti-slavic, therefore had access to better quality allies in Europe. Especially as Italy proved to be a greater cause of trouble than the French had been able to muster. I would prefer that we don't come to France's rescue again. Should have let the Germans keep them.

I'd like to see you split it further!

Anti-Judaist?

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2008 at 10:23am:

But he did support the German war effort and encourage Muslims into the SS and he was a Grand Mufti, so in that way he did taint the image of Islam as The Great Silence during the reign of Pope Pius XII tainted the Catholic Church after WW2.