Australian Politics Forum - The Great Muslim Debate

polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The Great Muslim Debate Reply #165 - Jul 31^st, 2016 at 5:16pm FDs entire world-view of Islam was shaped by what Abu said to him.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95295 Gender:	Re: The Great Muslim Debate Reply #166 - Jul 31^st, 2016 at 6:50pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 5:16pm: FDs entire world-view of Islam was shaped by what Abu said to him. Now now, you need to take your own share of the blame here, G. FD’s view is also formed by what you don’t say to him. Still, that doesn’t stop FD trying ever so hard to get you to say it.
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Reply #167 - Jul 31^st, 2016 at 7:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 5:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 3:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

I'm in shock ... is this really from FD?

FD has awoken John. FD used to be a spineless apologist:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325/711#711

What happened to cause the complete flip? Did some Arab steal his wife or something?

He started talking to Abu.

gandalf,

Oh, go on, do tell.

What is/was wrong with Abu ?

[......apart from the fact the Abu is/was a Sunni pig.]

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polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

Thanks Yadda - good quote.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44693 Gender:	Re: The Great Muslim Debate Reply #168 - Jul 31^st, 2016 at 9:27pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 5:16pm: FDs entire world-view of Islam was shaped by what Abu said to him. Don't be silly. It is all Muslims who shape everyone's view of Islam and Muslims. All you Muslims are ambassadors for Islam. All of you.
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Reply #169 - Jul 31^st, 2016 at 10:29pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 7:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 5:07pm:

He started talking to Abu.

gandalf,

Oh, go on, do tell.

What is/was wrong with Abu ?

[......apart from the fact the Abu is/was a Sunni pig.]

Hey gandalf,

QUESTION;

What is the name of the best religion ?

Yes, yes, .....we all know that the best religion is ISLAM, but is the best religion, Sunni ISLAM ???

If not, .....then what is the name of the best religion ?

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Yadda doodles, while anticipating a response......

animal farm, all animals are equal but some are more equal than others

Abu's religion = = bad

gandalf's religion = = good

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #170 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 12:59pm

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 9:27pm:

Don't be silly.

It is all Muslims who shape everyone's view of Islam and Muslims. All you Muslims are ambassadors for Islam. All of you.

Sorry Frank, how silly of me not to remember you and FD and moses accepting, respecting and never even dreaming of mocking the insistence of this muslim that Islam commands peace and freedom and goodwill to all mankind.

Or for that matter the countless muslims who argue the same...

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: The Great Muslim Debate Reply #171 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 3:15pm Or the innumerable millions of muslims who 100% tell us that the tenets of islam which motivate and cause rape, torture and mass murder, are the immutably perfect words of allah and can never be changed.
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Reply #172 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 4:09pm

moses wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Or the innumerable millions of muslims who 100% tell us that the tenets of islam which motivate and cause rape, torture and mass murder, are the immutably perfect words of allah and can never be changed.

No you certainly do listen to them moses. Strange though that you don't listen to the millions who say otherwise.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #173 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 5:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 4:09pm:

moses wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Or the innumerable millions of muslims who 100% tell us that the tenets of islam which motivate and cause rape, torture and mass murder, are the immutably perfect words of allah and can never be changed.

No you certainly do listen to them moses. Strange though that you don't listen to the millions who say otherwise.

Meh, it's up to your mob to reign in your fellow cultists. The authorities are doing what they can, but they swim in your waters.

Seems to me you and your fellow cultists have the most at stake. In a forum debate club apologisms, excuses, distractions and mitigations may make you feel better but do you think they convince anyone or change the larger picture and perception?

Everytime a bomb goes off, a head is hacked or throat is slit in the name of Alan attitudes harden.

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Reply #174 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 7:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 9:27pm:

Don't be silly.

It is all Muslims who shape everyone's view of Islam and Muslims. All you Muslims are ambassadors for Islam. All of you.

Sorry Frank, how silly of me not to remember you and FD and moses accepting, respecting and never even dreaming of mocking

the insistence of this muslim that Islam commands peace and freedom and goodwill to all mankind

.

Or for that matter the countless muslims who argue the same...

gandalf,

We are constantly bombarded with the insistent claims that moslems are want to make,
claims concerning their honour, their honesty, and their good and benign intent.

A benign intent emanating from the inspiration of their peaceful religion.

/sarc off

But we rarely see any real and valid substantiation of those claims, in facts or in example.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/2#2
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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.

Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #175 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 8:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2016 at 9:27pm:

Don't be silly.

It is all Muslims who shape everyone's view of Islam and Muslims. All you Muslims are ambassadors for Islam. All of you.

Sorry Frank, how silly of me not to remember you and FD and moses accepting, respecting and never even dreaming of mocking the insistence of this muslim that Islam commands peace and freedom and goodwill to all mankind.

Or for that matter the countless muslims who argue the same...

You are speaking with tongue in cheek of course.

I have never accepted this because I do not believe for a moment that something called Submission would command peace and freedom and goodwill to all mankind. Islam means Submission NOT Accommodation or Coexistence or Tolerance or Goodwill, least of all Peace.

Islam is a Religion of NO Peace Until Submission.

geddit? Finally? Islam merges political and religious Submission and will never accept the separation of the spiritual and the practical.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The Great Muslim Debate Reply #176 - Aug 1^st, 2016 at 8:25pm Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 8:10pm: I have never accepted this Ah, so what you really mean is we muslims are all "ambassadors for Islam" - just as long as we stand by what you insist is the real Islam. All peace-loving muslims are ineligible for the ambassadorship.
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Reply #177 - Aug 2^nd, 2016 at 12:46am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 8:25pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2016 at 8:10pm:

I have never accepted this

Ah, so what you really mean is we muslims are all "ambassadors for Islam" - just as long as we stand by what you insist is the real Islam.

All peace-loving muslims

are ineligible for the ambassadorship.

gandalf,

"peace-loving muslims", ...is 'false advertising', it is a contradiction in terms, it a deceit which would describe a violent rapist as a 'loving husband'.

"ISLAM is peace."

The phrase "peace-loving muslims", ....is akin to describing Mohammed as 'a perfect man', as an example for all men. [just as he is described by Allah, in the Koran. Koran 33.021 ]

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/2#2
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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.

Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

gandalf,

You are a fraud.

And a person without any shame.

A moslem.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #178 - Aug 2^nd, 2016 at 3:25pm

gandalf wrote Reply #172 - Yesterday at 4:09pm

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No you certainly do listen to them moses. Strange though that you don't listen to the millions who say otherwise.

Yes of course I listen to their claims of justification, cause and motivation for unimaginable human rights atrocities committed in the name of allah around the globe.

Only a fool would not look for the trigger, for their indescribably insane barbarity, perpetrated without the slightest degree of guilt or shame.

They all claim that they have been given the consecrated right to perform these deranged atocities by the teachings and deeds of muhammad, the commands of allah, the verses in the qur'an.

They are telling the truth, they are indeed following to the very letter these commands, deeds, teachings and verses, which they cite as their cause and motivation.

You are the liar in this affair gandalf, your attempts at whitewashing these evil inducements of islam are pathetic.

You prefer the bloodshed and untold human misery, to the truth: islam allah muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong.

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Reply #179 - Aug 2^nd, 2016 at 4:08pm

moses wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2016 at 3:25pm:

gandalf wrote Reply #172 - Yesterday at 4:09pm

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No you certainly do listen to them moses. Strange though that you don't listen to the millions who say otherwise.

Yes of course I listen to their claims of justification, cause and motivation for unimaginable human rights atrocities committed in the name of allah around the globe.

Only a fool would not look for the trigger, for their indescribably insane barbarity, perpetrated without the slightest degree of guilt or shame.

They all claim that they have been given the consecrated right to perform these deranged atocities by the teachings and deeds of muhammad, the commands of allah, the verses in the qur'an.

They are telling the truth, they are indeed following to the very letter these commands, deeds, teachings and verses, which they cite as their cause and motivation.

You are the liar in this affair gandalf, your attempts at whitewashing these evil inducements of islam are pathetic.

You prefer the bloodshed and untold human misery, to the truth: islam allah muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong.

Well Said.

End of topic as far as Gandalf is concerned!

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