yes, there is a massive difference between "moderate" muslims and "extremist" muslims.

How/why is this so ?
Why does hilali say so inflammatory comments and NOT get the sack ?

That is good, last time I heard he was on a 3 month period where they would decide. he was still aussies top muslim, despite not being "officially" allowed to speak int eh mosque anymore.

he was a hired employee. i thought he should have been sacked by saying things that are against the koran. Unless of course, he said things that are in line wiht the koran. In which case, he cannot be sacked.  Sort of it the pope said "forgive others", can't really sack him for it.

zoso wrote on Apr 26^th, 2007 at 6:09pm:


Stick to engineering you moron. Either that, or study this topic in depth before making 'assertions' that what the newspapers say are correct.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 6:37pm:


What a load of krap freediver, I've already been over this topic about a hundred times... citing incidents across the world caused by Muslims, providing polls, news articles, citations from the Quran... etc etc...

But all this jack-azs says in reply... oh... but we have moderate Christians... therefore, we can have moderate muslims.

He basically generalises EVERYTHING and puts everything and every group in the same basket.

I'm through with arguing with this bigot... he ignores everything and just keeps repeating his same politically correct statements over and over again without a trace of actual knowledge to back up his claims.

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2007 at 7:14pm:



What you say is largely true, freediver. But at the end of the day, I have more important things to do than just try and convert ONE individual who is clearly brainwashed and a lost cause.

I do tend to paint Muslims with the same brush, but this is in response to generalisations by people like Zoso. If they didn't keep repeating the same old rhetoric about 'Multiculturalism being good' and 'Islam being misinterpreted,' then I might delve deeper into the topic. Or I may even discuss other elements of Islam, such as the difference between Shiites and Sunnis. Until then, I'll answer an individual like Zoso in the same manner.

How am I supposed to engage him in a 'challenging debate' if he's under-researched on the topic, and keeps repeating the same old ideological sh1t over and over again?

Interesting trump, last I checked I had put up two posts regarding the purpose of multiculturalism to which you could come up with no reply.

So I shall repeat.

Our economy requires that we receive immigrants... right, you with me still? We NEED them, we need the skills because we don't have enough skilled labour. Ok right, now once they are here in our society, they are free to express their faith and their culture. It is a part of our society, if you believe in Australia then you believe in the freedoms it represents, right? To go out and restrict the behaviour of subgroups based on their ethnic background, while the rest of us are free to do what we want, that is ASKING FOR TROUBLE. Do you WANT to pick a fight and create tension? Or would you rather accept that economically we are dependant on immigration, and therefore multiculturalism is a requirement for a civil and free society.

Find a way to end our dependence on immigration and you might have a leg to stand on.

On top of all that, I did say to you that I do not think any part of our culture should be sacrificed in the name of being accepting to other cultures. Simply allowing ethnic groups to wear the clothes they want to wear and eat the food they want to eat is not an assault on our culture. If you do see assaults on our culture, speak up about it, like your little butcher example. Have you actually been down to your butcher and told him what you think of his policy yet? Rallied a few friends in the neighbourhood to do the same? Because if you haven't I'd hazard at a guess you are simply a whining little b!tch...

As for the danger posed by muslims, I agree, we do not need to discuss that any further,but I shall just let history demonstrate who is right... see you in 20 years chump.

But at the end of the day, I have more important things to do than just try and convert ONE individual who is clearly brainwashed and a lost cause.

That kind of misses the point. In debating the issue you also educate yourself and a couple of onlookers. It is the debating opponents who give you the most difficulty that teach you the most.

How am I supposed to engage him in a 'challenging debate' if he's under-researched on the topic, and keeps repeating the same old ideological sh1t over and over again?

You're a smart man, you figure it out.

Our economy requires that we receive immigrants... right, you with me still?

No it doesn't.

We NEED them, we need the skills because we don't have enough skilled labour.

Oh no we are getting paid to much lets bring in more labour so we keep down the running costs for big businesses.

The rest I agree with zoso.