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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #30 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 2:18pm

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It's funny how you clowns are so quick to criticize and get speculative of the media when they portray the Islamic community in a negative light, but when they do a 'Multiculturalism is great' or a typical 'Muslims are misunderstood' story, you all stand up and applaud like sheep.

You guys are idiots of the highest order. Roll Eyes

I take all media articles with due grains of salt. True the majority of muslim fear mongering comes out of the biased right wing press while the majority of pro multiculturalism comes from biased left wing press... I take all biased press as it should be taken, as pointless opinion, the only things I take from these sources are stated facts of which the source in question here has little. The fact is that the remaining serious news sources (ABC, SBS, The Australian, SMH etc) tend to favour the more open balanced approach and that is to embrace multiculturalism and the benefits its brings (labour force mostly - snowy hydro is a good example, current skills shortage is another) while hosing down the negative side effects and encouraging cultural integration... As should be the case.

Right here we have a baised opinion piece with nothing more than wild speculation, so yes I will jump on such an article and flag it for what it is.

Is this the best you have Trump? Is this all you could come up with?

Did anyone watch the Islam in Australia debate on ABC last night? Very wide spread of opinion in that room it was a good debate.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #31 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 4:06pm

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on the issue of multiculturalism, i mentioned that the only thing we have to go on is online polls (e.g. via ninemsn), why are hardly reliable.

What on earth are you talking about? Huh

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I dont see how I was applauding..

BBBAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Ocean_Blue, sorry to bring you into this. It was more directed at Zoso and Gavin.

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I take all media articles with due grains of salt.

Judging from your opinions on certain issues, I highly doubt you came to these conclusions through 'academic/independent' thought. It seems that you form your opinions from newspapers and the media.

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True the majority of muslim fear mongering comes out of the biased right wing press while the majority of pro multiculturalism comes from biased left wing press

Thankyou. I'm glad that you're intelligent enough to admit it goes both ways.

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The fact is that the remaining serious news sources (ABC, SBS, The Australian, SMH etc) tend to favour the more open balanced approach and that is to embrace multiculturalism and the benefits its brings (labour force mostly - snowy hydro is a good example, current skills shortage is another) while hosing down the negative side effects and encouraging cultural integration... As should be the case.

1) The fact that you mentioned SMH as a 'serious' news source shows how little you know about the media.

2) Furthermore, I'm just assuming you're lying and not stupid enough to believe SBS can even MILDLY be unbias about Multiculturalism.

3) In addition, the ABC may be a fairly good news-provider when it comes to political issues, but upon examining its charter, you'll find that it has strict orders to 'promote multiculturalism' in Australia.

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Right here we have a baised opinion piece with nothing more than wild speculation, so yes I will jump on such an article and flag it for what it is.

Fair enough, if it's an obvious bias news-piece, I will accept your opinion, but if you take a pro-multiculturalism story seriously again, you're a biased prick.

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Is this the best you have Trump? Is this all you could come up with?

Pfft. I could say the same about you. I have not yet begun to fight as far as this news-story goes.

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Did anyone watch the Islam in Australia debate on ABC last night? Very wide spread of opinion in that room it was a good debate.

No. What happened?

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #32 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 4:16pm

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on the issue of multiculturalism, i mentioned that the only thing we have to go on is online polls (e.g. via ninemsn), why are hardly reliable.

What on earth are you talking about? Huh

LOL, u don't remember our little discussion about multiculturism?

i really don't want to derail this thread, but to refresh ur memory, u provided evidence of multiculturism not being popular, and u used online polls as ur evidence.

but what do u think of the acticle sprintcyclist posted, does it provide concrete proof that the shiek is funding terrorists?

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #33 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 5:10pm

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LOL, u don't remember our little discussion about multiculturism?

i really don't want to derail this thread, but to refresh ur memory, u provided evidence of multiculturism not being popular, and u used online polls as ur evidence.

I remember, Gavin, but I don't see what polls have to do with articles. We're talking about article bias, not the publics opinion.

Two completely different things. And you're trying to make ME look like the nieve one. Nice try, smart-@ss.

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but what do u think of the acticle sprintcyclist posted, does it provide concrete proof that the shiek is funding terrorists?

To put it quite simply, no. Not 'concrete.'

I think upon reading this article and I would agree that it's speculation at this stage. But I would definitely call it 'educated speculation.' So far, Hilali has failed to come forward and prove that he's innocent. It's been two days now, and he hasn't faced the music. Even the Islamic community is starting to fold:
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THE nation's most powerful Islamic association has promised to repay more than $US10,000 ($13,000) in donations raised by Australian Muslims for Lebanese war victims that ended up being handed over in cash by Taj Din al-Hilali to a "suspect" radio station in Lebanon.

To me, that's suspicious. If he truly was innocent of the accusations, he would've come forward in no time at all. Given this guys history, I don't blame them for investigating him. And why would the Islamic community be so quick to pay off the money? Huh

The main reason I responded to this thread was that I was disgusted that you and Zoso were dismissing this like it was nothing.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #34 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 5:17pm

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So far, Hilali has failed to come forward and prove that he's innocent. It's been two days now, and he hasn't faced the music.

that's because his not in Australia at the moment, he probably doesn't even know this stuff has hit the papers yet.

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Even the Islamic community is starting to fold:

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THE nation's most powerful Islamic association has promised to repay more than $US10,000 ($13,000) in donations raised by Australian Muslims for Lebanese war victims that ended up being handed over in cash by Taj Din al-Hilali to a "suspect" radio station in Lebanon.

have u heard of public relations? companies typically do it since it's easier to pay out an amount of money rather than going through a process of investigation.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #35 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 5:23pm

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have u heard of public relations? companies typically do it since it's easier to pay out an amount of money rather than going through a process of investigation.

Fair enough. It could be Muslims trying to make up for their bad reputation. I acknowlege this. But again, it could be just that they know it's most likely true what the papers are saying. We'll have to wait and see in the coming days.

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that's because his not in Australia at the moment, he probably doesn't even know this stuff has hit the papers yet

Oh really? Where is he?

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #36 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 5:27pm

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that's because his not in Australia at the moment, he probably doesn't even know this stuff has hit the papers yet

Oh really? Where is he?

his somewhere in the Middle East, he has been there for a while now, way before this latest incident hit the papers.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #38 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 5:32pm

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'Somewhere in the Middle East.' Secretive little basterd isn't he?

yeah, i guess so. he usually does multi-country tours, so he might be Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc for all we know.

but the point is, i highly doubt he even knows this incident has hit the papers here.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #40 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 5:57pm

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but the point is, i highly doubt he even knows this incident has hit the papers here.

I reckon he would have found out. How many advisors would he have?

even so, do u expect him to cancel his trip and come back?
would it make a difference to public opinion?

i don't think so, which is why i think it was very irresponsible of the media to publish this article without having concrete proof.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #42 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 7:17pm

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I'll be less critical when Hilali proves this 'speculation' to be false.

How can he and why should he? When you go around handing out cash to people who have had their homes blown to bits in third world countries you don't ask for receipts.

Besides, even if he gave money to somebody who then committed a crime, there is no way of proving it was Hilali's money that was used. Once again, money is fungible, it just doesn't work like that. I am saying this is nothing because it is nothing! This means nothing to Australia whatsoever.

Now if he brought back questionable items on the plane with him, yes that is something, if he was funding a local extremist group giving them money to buy materials to make bombs, that is something. This is nothing.

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #43 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 7:23pm

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1) The fact that you mentioned SMH as a 'serious' news source shows how little you know about the media.

2) Furthermore, I'm just assuming you're lying and not stupid enough to believe SBS can even MILDLY be unbias about Multiculturalism.

3) In addition, the ABC may be a fairly good news-provider when it comes to political issues, but upon examining its charter, you'll find that it has strict orders to 'promote multiculturalism' in Australia.

SMH is probably my least liked of what I consider worthwhile reading, I agree it is not exactly top of the line, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it isn't in the serious basket. SMH is left, the Australian leans right, I read the Australian much more than I do SMH.

SBS has good unbiased shows like insight that cover the multiculturalism debate well, yes of course it is pro multiculturalism, but then a good many people are in this country. Same for the ABC. So... fair enough.

But these are the most serious news sources out there in that they do not allow personal opinions and colourful emotive language to enter into the news reporting. ABC and SBS may be bound by their charters to promote multiculturalism, but they are also bound by their charters to present bland unbiased news. They promote multiculturalism outside of the news through programming, I rarely see anything pro or con regarding multiculturalism in the news reporting on either ABC or SBS.

Multiculturalism has given us good thing Trump... Snowy Hydro would not have happened without it, why would you want to dismiss cheap hard working labour?? seems to make sense to me?

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Re: Hilali gives material support to terrorists
Reply #44 - Apr 3^rd, 2007 at 7:30pm

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They promote multiculturalism outside of the news through programming, I rarely see anything pro or con regarding multiculturalism in the news reporting on either ABC or SBS.

Okay, so if this is so, why do you claim that these new sources portray multiculturalism in a positive light? Huh

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Multiculturalism has given us good thing Trump... Snowy Hydro would not have happened without it, why would you want to dismiss cheap hard working labour?? seems to make sense to me?

I was wondering how long it would take for some pro-multiculturalism moron to bring up the snowy mountain river scheme on this forum.

Tell me Zoso, how is building a hydro-electric power station, 'multiculturalism?'

And what were the nationalities of the workers?

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