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Reply #15 - Apr 1st, 2007 at 11:56pm
 
Hi rat,
Interesting comments.

The crucial stipulation that every decision has to be unanimous brings about a different mindset to a governing body.
As it is, the govt is an adverserial system. Similar to the judicial system.
It is terrible to listen to the politicians discussing when in govt.
In any workplace i have been in, noone would waste resources (time) like that.
In every good work place and good house I have been in, the goal is for the BEST decision.

If the goal is the BEST decision, as oppoed to a "my sides" decision, a unanimous decision is the culmination of the decision making process.
After all, it IS the best decision .


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Reply #16 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 12:56am
 
Hi sprintcyclist,

Yes, agreed. However, the difference between a workplace or a home, and a national parliament, is the degree of common interest shared by the members. The first two would most likely be instances of direct democracy, with overwhelming shared interests. A national parliament needs to cater to widely varied interests, often in direct and vigorous opposition. Some competing points of view cannot be reconciled without complete capitulation by one side or the other - do you mine uranium or not? - do you sell Telstra or not? People can have very strong, and very understandable, but very different priorities in their lives. When you have an agenda on a national scale you cannot expect unanimity on important decisions. Even in our households and workplaces we often just outvote one another, and agree to accept that as the verdict in order to keep the peace (do we order pizza or Chinese?) - it's effectively unanimous in the end, but it's really about an acceptance of process. The vote takes place. The factions exist. When the issues/disagreements persist, the factions will persist. I would suggest that political parties coalesce around persisting or ingrained differences of opinion (profound, huh?). I don't see that as a problem.
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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 7:20pm
 
I'm sorry to be the one telling you this, sprintcyclist, but it's not actually an original idea of yours.  Wink

This political style was actually already around in the 1800's in Australia, where political parties did not exist, and 'nobles' were the ones who were in parliament. But the difference was, they were not paid to do this, which is why only rich people ran for office back then. It was only when politicians started being paid that working class people started trying to get elected and started being politicians.

There was good points and bad points about this system of Government:

Good Points:

1) Politicians could make moral judgements for themselves and were not confined to follow party lines of thought.
2) Were not that corrupt.

Bad Points

1) Hardly anything was achieved, as people would disagree on almost every issue and a conclusion was never reached by a majority.


Political parties were basically just an evolutionary step. It's basically just a bunch of people with similar interests and beliefs who decided to bond to win power.
Ever watched 'survivor' the TV show? There's a good example.
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Reply #18 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 9:08pm
 
Hi Donald,  yes, was an idea I heard, not mine.
Though I have started to "reinvent the wheel" a few times before !!
Once for a self cooling esky,  that was currently on sale at Kmart !!!!   Grin

Getting an unanimous decision would be the .. sticking point.
It is a way of ensuring an idea is considered using logics/ethics ??
Heard of the study of fallacies ? Would be nice if that was used moreso in govt.

survivor was a great show, the first few times.
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Reply #19 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 9:22pm
 
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Hi Donald,  yes, was an idea I heard, not mine. 
Though I have started to "reinvent the wheel" a few times before !! 
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No probs mate. I think old ideas can be reinvented somewhat. So you're right there in my book.


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Getting an unanimous decision would be the .. sticking point. 
It is a way of ensuring an idea is considered using logics/ethics ?? 
Heard of the study of fallacies ? Would be nice if that was used moreso in govt.


Indeed. this form of Government has its good points. Probably even more good points than the party model.


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Kinda lost its magic after the first few seasons, hey? Apart from the Carribean islands one... that was great.

Something which really ruined the show is the fact that they decided to do the final tribal council in front of a live studio audience. That really ruined the intense atmosphere. Especially when the contestants had all their makeup on and had time to consider whether they would lose or not.
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Reply #20 - Oct 8th, 2007 at 8:13pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Democracy-a-donkey-treatment-Gaddafi/2007/10/08/1191695814378.html

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said multiparty democracy was a sham promoted by governments that treat their people "like donkeys" and deny them real power, the official Libyan news agency Jana reported.

Gaddafi added in a speech last week that his north African country would never abandon its "state of the masses" system of rule by town hall meetings, which he has long predicted will be eventually embraced by governments around the world, Jana said.

"They talk about the alternation of power (from one party to another), Jana quoted Gaddafi, Libya's ruler for 37 years, as saying. "What does that mean? It means that people are being ridden like donkeys."

"The world is fed up with parties and elections. Even the Western intelligentsia feels disgusted with the party system and the farce of elections. They acknowledge the fact that what is going on is not democracy but falsification.

"The world is going to eventually embrace the peoples' authority, sweeping away all those old systems."

Gaddafi seized power in a coup in 1969 and in 1977 he proclaimed Jamahiriyah popular rule to try to create the perfect society in line with the teachings of his Green Book, which combines aspects of socialism, Islam and pan-Arabism.

Local community meetings known as Basic People's Congresses, surveyed by revolutionary committees composed of Green Book enthusiasts, send up their decisions to a national tier of officials via a pyramid of committees and congresses.

Gaddafi has said his country of six million people will persist with its no-party system because, he says, it gives more say to the people than Western elections.

Critics say the Jamahiriyah system, the only government most Libyans have known, is a fig leaf for authoritarian rule and has kept the country poor.

"We have seen the world shaken by the multiparty systems," Gaddafi said.

"What on earth do we need with the alternation of power when power is in the hands of the masses?

"There will be no going back on the peoples authority."
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