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Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Apr 30^th, 2007 at 6:41pm

The following is a continuation of the the world famous thread yours truly started back in June 2006.
http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?threadid=126689&categoryid=11121

This thread is aimed at LISTING the benefits and drawbacks of MULTICULTURALISM.

Is it really as good as people claim it is?
Or is it a dividing, useless, overrated policy like other people think it is.

Who knows? Maybe people can give me enough reasons to change my mind about the stupid policy that is Multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism

Cons:

1) Alienates people.
2) Riots.
3) Political correctness gone crazy (ie. Banning bibles in hospitals).
4) Community division.
5) Causes family breakdown.
6) Increased crime levels.
7) Creates ethnic gangs.
8) Cultural apartheid.
9) Social disharmony.
10) Language difficulties.
11) Money being sent back-home (Ethnics former home).
12) Importation of extra foreign goods.
13) Gross waste of taxpayers money.
14) Empire building.
15) Security risk.
16) Increased unwanted immigration.
17) Increased welfare bill.
18) Dilution or death of the Australian culture.
19) Conflicting belief systems.
20) Pandering to minorities.
21) Racism.
22) Cultural relativism.
23) Promotes tolerance not acceptance.

Pros:

1) Larger variety of food.
2) Provides jobs for rich bureaucrats and Government officials.

Feel free to add to this list.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #1 - Apr 30^th, 2007 at 7:00pm Diversity fosters innovation. Homogeneity leads to stagnation.
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #2 - May 2^nd, 2007 at 2:46am Quote: Diversity fosters innovation. Homogeneity leads to stagnation. Care to go deeper on that one, freediver?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #3 - May 2^nd, 2007 at 9:20am See the first post I made on this board.
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #4 - May 2^nd, 2007 at 4:28pm Freediver, that first post of yours isn't easily readable nor is it summed up very well. Since you know the article so well, can you please just copy and paste all the points of importance? Thanks.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #5 - May 2^nd, 2007 at 4:29pm I don't know it that well. I copied it from an email. To sum it up: Diversity fosters innovation. Homogeneity leads to stagnation.
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #6 - May 2^nd, 2007 at 4:43pm Quote: Diversity fosters innovation. Homogeneity leads to stagnation. I see. So you're just bringing up a point for me to analyse?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #7 - May 14^th, 2007 at 9:49am pro: improved health
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2007 at 12:23am freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2007 at 9:49am: pro: improved health Erm... care to explain how?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2007 at 9:31am The offspring of 'mixed' marriages tend to have better imune systems.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #10 - May 15^th, 2007 at 10:34am Multiculturalism makes the public far more aware of how much of our own behaviour is not 'human nature,' not rational, but just part of our culture. It enables a far faster resolution of problems that are created by our own culture.
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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2007 at 7:36pm

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2007 at 9:31am:

The offspring of 'mixed' marriages tend to have better imune systems.

Hehe. Just like breeds of dog.

In saying that though... there are species of dogs that are smarter than others. So in other words, if a dumbass pitbull mated with an intelligent Golden Retriever, the golden retriever may gain a little health, but at the same time, loses a significant amount of character and intelligence.
Does this apply to humans as well, freediver? Grin

But still though, this genetic argument of yours, is that REALLY multiculturalism at work? Or is it just genetics? I think it's just genetics, IMHO. Doesn't really fall under the category of 'multiculturalism.'

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Multiculturalism makes the public far more aware of how much of our own behaviour is not 'human nature,' not rational, but just part of our culture. It enables a far faster resolution of problems that are created by our own culture.

Example?

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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #12 - May 16^th, 2007 at 9:00am

There aren't many examples in Australia as we are a multicultural society. Japan probably has a few examples. Imagine living in England a hundred years ago. Or even now to some extent. People do things just because that's the way it's always been done.

Three examples off the top of my head: the bronzed aussie, the tall poppy syndrome and food. The bronzed aussie thing is on the way out due mainly to skin cancer. The tall poppy thing probably does undermine our society to some extent, but it doesn't exist among immigrant groups and is not as strong as it would be without them. Probably the biggest one is the food we eat. We still eat largely European foods and try to grow them here. The residents of Darwin import apples while letting great tropical fruit rot on the ground. Immigrants from SE Asia are helping to change this. Without them the adaption to more suitable foods would take a lot longer. It's taken 200 years already and we've barely made a dent.

But still though, this genetic argument of yours, is that REALLY multiculturalism at work? Or is it just genetics? I think it's just genetics, IMHO. Doesn't really fall under the category of 'multiculturalism.'

You can't have one without the other, unless it involves some kind of conquest or purchase.

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Australia 'has cultural edge' over US
Reply #13 - May 16^th, 2007 at 10:41am

Who'd of thought eh?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/australia-has-cultural-edge-over-us/2007/05/15/1178995148844.html

Australia has an advantage over the United States in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts because of an affinity with foreign cultures, a US strategic analyst says.

Max Boot, a senior fellow in national security studies at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, also said US military skills were becoming outdated in those battlefields.

Mr Boot said Iraq was showing the need for smart people who understood foreign languages and cultures, policing, intelligence gathering and nation building.

"This is actually an area where I would argue that Australia and other countries have a relative advantage in some ways over the US," he told an Australian Defence College and Royal United Services Institute security seminar.

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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #14 - May 16^th, 2007 at 6:36pm

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There aren't many examples in Australia as we are a multicultural society. Japan probably has a few examples. Imagine living in England a hundred years ago. Or even now to some extent. People do things just because that's the way it's always been done.

Three examples off the top of my head: the bronzed aussie, the tall poppy syndrome and food. The bronzed aussie thing is on the way out due mainly to skin cancer. The tall poppy thing probably does undermine our society to some extent, but it doesn't exist among immigrant groups and is not as strong as it would be without them. Probably the biggest one is the food we eat. We still eat largely European foods and try to grow them here. The residents of Darwin import apples while letting great tropical fruit rot on the ground. Immigrants from SE Asia are helping to change this. Without them the adaption to more suitable foods would take a lot longer. It's taken 200 years already and we've barely made a dent.

Man... sometimes I wish you'd put more clarity in your arguments, freediver.

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You can't have one without the other

That's rubbish. Of course you can have one without the other.

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