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Lord Herbert
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Reply #165 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:05pm
 
I'll leave you to happily continue trying to muddy the waters with whiny and prissy little objections to the obvious, Karnel.  Grin

I'm going to let our vast and discerning audience decide for themselves which of us is stating the obvious, and which is playing silly-buggers with this.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.
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Reply #166 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 5:51pm
 
Here is an excellent brand new article discussing Multicultural societies compared to  Homogenous societies.

I would love for someone to refute this article in its personal opinion that homogenous, unicultural nations are far more successful and stable than nations under multiculturalism


anglonz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/multicultural-vs-homogenous-nations.html
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Reply #167 - Oct 5th, 2013 at 9:42pm
 
Are there any "homogenous, unicultural nations", apart from Iceland?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Amazing how the author of that article appears to have forgotten the Maoris in his own homeland of New Zealand...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #168 - Oct 6th, 2013 at 1:16am
 
Many cultures living side by side is one thing. It's the stuff of life. Regional varieties, countries comprising of different ethnicities and so forth. No big deal, run of the mill.

Multiculturalism, on the other hand, is an insidious ideology, an ism, an ukase, a directive, a PC BS imposition.

If you want to preserve your folk dancing traditions, preserve it by all means. But it is not the government's business or the taxpayer's expense to sanction or fund your efforts to preserve it for you.i
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Reply #169 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2013 at 1:16am:
Many cultures living side by side is one thing. It's the stuff of life. Regional varieties, countries comprising of different ethnicities and so forth. No big deal, run of the mill.

Multiculturalism, on the other hand, is an insidious ideology, an ism, an ukase, a directive, a PC BS imposition.



Actually, old chap, it was invented by that bastion of liberty, the destination of choice for huddled masses everywhere, yearning to breathe free - the good old United States of Amerika. 

Like much of your cheese, we imported it from them.
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Reply #170 - Oct 10th, 2013 at 6:33pm
 
Mathew wrote on Oct 5th, 2013 at 5:51pm:
Here is an excellent brand new article discussing Multicultural societies compared to  Homogenous societies.

I would love for someone to refute this article in its personal opinion that homogenous, unicultural nations are far more successful and stable than nations under multiculturalism


anglonz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/multicultural-vs-homogenous-nations.html


For one thing humanity itself would render such a description probably moot.  We are all individuals not some homogenous blob.

But the  largest most recent study of diversity policy by Robert Putnam would disagree with it.
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Reply #171 - Oct 10th, 2013 at 6:35pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2013 at 1:16am:
Many cultures living side by side is one thing. It's the stuff of life. Regional varieties, countries comprising of different ethnicities and so forth. No big deal, run of the mill.

Multiculturalism, on the other hand, is an insidious ideology, an ism, an ukase, a directive, a PC BS imposition.



Actually, old chap, it was invented by that bastion of liberty, the destination of choice for huddled masses everywhere, yearning to breathe free - the good old United States of Amerika. 

Like much of your cheese, we imported it from them.


Actually old chap I wouldn't use the US as a model for Multiculti anymore than I would the UK or France.

Australia will have the same problems if it continues down this stupid path.
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Reply #172 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 10th, 2013 at 6:35pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 2:38pm:
Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2013 at 1:16am:
Many cultures living side by side is one thing. It's the stuff of life. Regional varieties, countries comprising of different ethnicities and so forth. No big deal, run of the mill.

Multiculturalism, on the other hand, is an insidious ideology, an ism, an ukase, a directive, a PC BS imposition.



Actually, old chap, it was invented by that bastion of liberty, the destination of choice for huddled masses everywhere, yearning to breathe free - the good old United States of Amerika. 

Like much of your cheese, we imported it from them.


Actually old chap I wouldn't use the US as a model for Multiculti anymore than I would the UK or France.

Australia will have the same problems if it continues down this stupid path.


One that is based on tolerance and acceptance, rather than intolerance and racism/bigotry/Xenophobia?

One that is inclusive, rather than exclusive of it's citizens?

One that works most of the time for most of it's citizens, as against one that only works for a minority of citizens, rarely?

Beowulf, looks to me like you need to figure out what you really want Australia to look like?  I for one want one where most citizens rub along just fine with one another, most of the time.  One where people respect one another rather than hate one another...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #173 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 9:02pm
 
Oh I'm not hung up on looks bwian.
I'll leave that to you along with the bigotry.

Putnam's diversity study shows what you want doesn't work bwian.
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Reply #174 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 12:20am
 
Now, now Beowulf no need to obfuscate.

I'm still waiting for you to reply with something on topic and sensible.
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Reply #175 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 1:02am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 7:00pm:
Diversity fosters innovation. Homogeneity leads to stagnation.


China seems to be doing quite well.
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Reply #176 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 8:48am
 
Winston Smith wrote on Oct 14th, 2013 at 1:02am:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 7:00pm:
Diversity fosters innovation. Homogeneity leads to stagnation.


China seems to be doing quite well.


Good point. Why is China doing so well?

A lot of people have put it down to China's East Asia networks. In other words, rather than being a cosmopolitan immigrant trading hegemony a la Amerika or Mother England, China is an emmigrant nation, making use of all those emigres sprinkled throughout Asia and the world.

I wonder, however, how sustainable this is. China has not, so far, developed global product brands - a la Japan or South Korea. Its emigres are brokers - ethnic-Chinese contractors who set up shop in Chinese free trade zones and do piecework for the foreign branded corporations. It's a business model that has developed China, but what next?

What's next, I think, is a booming middle class looking for new novelties, and this will, inevitably, mean a huge cultural shift in China.

Homogeneity does lead to stagnation. It's why Deng Zhou Ping uttered his famous line about cats catching mice - it doesn't matter what colour cat catches the mouse, China became rampantly capitalist the day that utterance was delivered - that's if capitalism wasn't in the DNA of the Chinese people anyway.

The essence of capitalism is class heterogeneity. China now has an economic system that facilitates this, even if it's corrupt. Most of the sons and daughters of the princelings have Western educations or live in the West full time, and this is the Chinese model - outward, rather than inward looking.
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Reply #177 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 11:56am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14th, 2013 at 12:20am:
Now, now Beowulf no need to obfuscate.

I'm still waiting for you to reply with something on topic and sensible.



Got nothing bwian...  then why don't you just wunaway?
oh and bwian we both know multiculti is supposed to run on tolerance and obeying the rule of law, not acceptance.
We both know that it has been tweaked several times to try and get it to work and gain public acceptance... the last time by the Howard government who tried to address the one rule for us and another for them attitude of new arrivals, because it can't be all we give and they take.
Putnam's study showed greater disharmony and insularity was created by greater diversity. You want greater diversity, therefore you want greater disharmony and insularity...  you support and foster the breakdown of our society.
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Reply #178 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 10:53pm
 
Now, now Beowulf no need to obfuscate.

I'm still waiting for you to reply with something on topic and sensible.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #179 - Oct 14th, 2013 at 11:12pm
 
like I said...  got nothing bwian.
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