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Reply #180 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 12:25am
 
ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
Multiculturalism

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1) Alienates people.

I reckon that is crap. Living in Melbourne, I have had Aussies, English, Yugoslavs, Turks, French as neighbours - have gotten to know most of them fairly well. Most of my friend throughout my life have been non-Anglo-Saxons - and I feel much richer for the experience.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
2) Riots.


Australia has a long history of riots due to its bogan nature. For example there was the Ballarat Riot, theEureka stockade, the Liverpool soldiers riot of 1916, and the Melbourne Police Riots in the 1930's. There were riots involving communists and fascists in the 1930's. There was the Battle of Brisbane in WWII between mostly Christian English-speaking Anglo-Saxons. There was the Parliament House riot in Canberra in 1996 involving unionists. The Macquarie Fields riot of 2005. Nothing has changed it seems nowadays with Facebook party riots just about every weekend.

There have bee many other riots in Australian history involving unions and protesters.

Out of dozens of riots, I think that there are only a couple since WWII that involved ethnicity - one of those stirred up by homosexual fascist Alan Jones.




ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
3) Political correctness gone crazy (ie. Banning bibles in hospitals).


Isn't this a media beat-up?

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1655732.htm

I have read that some hospitals stopped keeping Bibles in bedside lockers due to fears about the spread of dangerous germs - nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Quote:
Trust bosses said the Gideon International Bibles are hard to clean. They want all bedside areas in Queen’s Medical Centre and City Hospital kept tidy and “clutter-free” to stop deadly viruses breeding.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/189145/Bashing-for-hospitals-over-ban-on-the-Bi...



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
4) Community division.

Proof that multiculturalism creates community division? What about socio-ecomonic disadvantage isn't that more likely to cause division?



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
5) Causes family breakdown.

WTF? What next? Causing global warming too?


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
6) Increased crime levels.

Is there any proof that homogenous societies have less crime than multicultural?


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
7) Creates ethnic gangs.

I think that that has more to do with socio-economic disadvantage and lack of opportunities



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
8) Cultural apartheid.

Great slogan, but what the heck does that mean?


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
9) Social disharmony.


Any statistical evidence for that?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
10) Language difficulties.

More than 97% of Australians either speak English as a first language or a second language "very well" or "well".

The number is rising too, as the Government has raised language standards for migrants and provided language training for refugees.



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
11) Money being sent back-home (Ethnics former home).

Why is that a problem? Wouldn't that mean less burden on governments and taxpayers in general to provide aid to poorer countries? I don't think the amount of money sent overseas is much compared to government aid programs.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
12) Importation of extra foreign goods.

Like plasma TVs and Hollywood movies?



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
13) Gross waste of taxpayers money.


The economic benefits of immigration far outweigh the costs. Why else would governments do it?


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
14) Empire building.

??? Huh



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
[color=#ff6600]15) Security risk.




ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
16) Increased unwanted immigration.

Unwanted by who?



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
17) Increased welfare bill.


You don't seem to have a good understanding of Australia's immigration system. It is designed so that the vast  overwhelming majority of migrants are either wealthy or have skills needed by the Australian economy. The amount of unskilled refugees scarred by war ente





ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
18) Dilution or death of the Australian culture.


You can thank Hollywood for that.



ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
[color=#ff6600]19) Conflicting belief systems.

Like Liberal and Labor.  Hmmm should we ban democracy?


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
20) Pandering to minorities.

Like the Rinehart family?


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 30th, 2007 at 6:41pm:
21) Racism.


Multicuturalism causes racism, or ignorance and hate causes racism?
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Reply #181 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 4:38am
 
By  True Colours- Australia has a long history of riots due to its bogan nature.

What does that mean?
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Reply #182 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:01am
 
By True Colour's reckoning, multiculturalism makes absolutely no difference to a place and its effects, if any, are undetectable.

But I don't remember any regular New Year car-b-ques in Paris before large scale immigration of 'marginalised youths' from Africa and the Middle East.

Shurely shome mishtake.



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Reply #183 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:23am
 
Why do NSW Police has specific ethnic crime squads then?
Why was Vietnamatta the centre of drug dealing in Australia?
Why is it returning to that place now?
Why are Outlaw Motorcyle Clubs now largely populated by ethnics?
Why do certain suburbs/ethnic-enclaves have bad reputations and criminal activity, like drive by shootings and murder?

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Reply #184 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:46am
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:23am:
Why do NSW Police has specific ethnic crime squads then?
Why was Vietnamatta the centre of drug dealing in Australia?
Why is it returning to that place now?
Why are Outlaw Motorcyle Clubs now largely populated by ethnics?
Why do certain suburbs/ethnic-enclaves have bad reputations and criminal activity, like drive by shootings and murder?



And how is this the fault of a government policy which promotes acceptance and tolerance?

How would a policy of Monoculturalism change any of that anyway?   The same violent and criminals minorities within certain ethnic groups would exist.  The same responses would be required.   Monoculturalism wouldn't change a thing except create even greater resentment and lead to greater alienation.   Looks to me like you'd exacerbate the problems rather than abate them!   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #185 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 5:46pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:46am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:23am:
Why do NSW Police has specific ethnic crime squads then?
Why was Vietnamatta the centre of drug dealing in Australia?
Why is it returning to that place now?
Why are Outlaw Motorcyle Clubs now largely populated by ethnics?
Why do certain suburbs/ethnic-enclaves have bad reputations and criminal activity, like drive by shootings and murder?



And how is this the fault of a government policy which promotes acceptance and tolerance?

How would a policy of Monoculturalism change any of that anyway?   The same violent and criminals minorities within certain ethnic groups would exist.  The same responses would be required.   Monoculturalism wouldn't change a thing except create even greater resentment and lead to greater alienation.   Looks to me like you'd exacerbate the problems rather than abate them!   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

Actually it promotes no such thing at least not successfully.
Multiculti is based on TOLERANCE...  we must all TOLERATE each other...  you can't even tolerate dissenting opinions Jnr how are you going to cope.
It requires new Australians to obey the law...  oh dear doesn't look like that's happening does it.
Not a good start employing criminals to get you here.
Not a good start to discard your identity.
Not a good start when most are found to be not genuine refugees... not really good honest stock to build a harmonious society from eh?

I'll let you dwell on your strawman and see if your brain can come up with a sensible answer shall I?
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Reply #186 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:16pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:46am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:23am:
Why do NSW Police has specific ethnic crime squads then?
Why was Vietnamatta the centre of drug dealing in Australia?
Why is it returning to that place now?
Why are Outlaw Motorcyle Clubs now largely populated by ethnics?
Why do certain suburbs/ethnic-enclaves have bad reputations and criminal activity, like drive by shootings and murder?



And how is this the fault of a government policy which promotes acceptance and tolerance?


Not every culture we import favours or promotes multiculturalism ('tolerance of other cultures').  Islam doesn't. Why tolerate any culture that doesn't reciprocate the tolerance of other cultures? Islam is submission, not tolerance of diverse cultural and social practices in an open and mutually beneficial manner.
Islam will require multiculturalism to submit to Islam. What happens to 'tolerance' then?

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Reply #187 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 8:52pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:46am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:23am:
Why do NSW Police has specific ethnic crime squads then?
Why was Vietnamatta the centre of drug dealing in Australia?
Why is it returning to that place now?
Why are Outlaw Motorcyle Clubs now largely populated by ethnics?
Why do certain suburbs/ethnic-enclaves have bad reputations and criminal activity, like drive by shootings and murder?



And how is this the fault of a government policy which promotes acceptance and tolerance?


Not every culture we import favours or promotes multiculturalism ('tolerance of other cultures'). 



You’re right there, old bean. Look at you cheese-gatherers. Can’t return you now, eh?

Still, I’m sure you’ll assimilate before long. I do have hope in the human condition.

Call me old fashioned...
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Reply #188 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 9:13pm
 
For a Paki, you have a lot of cheek.

Multiculturalism, like the refugee convention, was meant to accommodate the various European cultures under the umbrella of a common humanity. Nobody ever though, at the initial stages, that all the ... er... 'warm-climate' people will want to come and pretend to be Swiss and Finns and Friesians and Australians or what have you.

All those wonderful ancient cultures of India, Persia, China, Africa - why would they want to leave their wonderful ancient cultures for some backward, upstart European 'kulture'??

But leave their noble cultures they did. For filthy lucre. All that 'ancient noble civilisation' is gone out the back door the moment they hear the sound of shiny coins. Suddenly all that wonderful culture melts into thin materialist air. The west is all just money to be grubbed, grasped, scraped. No culture or civilisation to honour or support.

When the white man went to their countries, it was called colonialism.
When they come top the white man's country, it is called multiculturalism.
We have had post-colonialism. I am eagerly looking forward to pot-multiculturalism.

Don't you?




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Reply #189 - Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:29pm
 
Filthy lucre?

No, old chap, I won’t have that. You people came to help better us. You wanted to bring your marvellous cheese and your delightful trouser dance and all your beards and capes and monacles and what have you.

You should feel proud, old boy. Look at all the wonderful things you’ve brought to our country. Your anus, in particular, is a real sight to behold - squeezing out a lovely cheese on the plate for all to enjoy. Ah, yes.

Divine!
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Reply #190 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:46am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 15th, 2013 at 10:23am:
Why do NSW Police has specific ethnic crime squads then?
Why was Vietnamatta the centre of drug dealing in Australia?
Why is it returning to that place now?
Why are Outlaw Motorcyle Clubs now largely populated by ethnics?
Why do certain suburbs/ethnic-enclaves have bad reputations and criminal activity, like drive by shootings and murder?



And how is this the fault of a government policy which promotes acceptance and tolerance?


Not every culture we import favours or promotes multiculturalism ('tolerance of other cultures').

Islam doesn't.

Why tolerate any culture that doesn't reciprocate the tolerance of other cultures?


Islam is submission, not tolerance of diverse cultural and social practices in an open and mutually beneficial manner.
Islam will require multiculturalism to submit to Islam. What happens to 'tolerance' then?





The truth is that;

Moslems are even intolerant towards [will murder!] other moslems!     [i.e. other persons who claim to be moslems]





And so, the 'loser'/'victim' moslems [of that internecine warfare, among moslems], are told by humanists, that they have an entitlement to escape [their own internecine warfare], and to seek a sanctuary in places like Australia.

i.e.
Those moslems [i.e. the 'loser'/'victim' moslems], are themselves, people who all embrace a culture of an 'entitlement' to be intolerant, towards everyone who does not believe as they believe - a mindset which ISLAM inculcates within every moslem from childhood.




So, moslems are seeking to escape to places like Australia - where humanist idiots teach the moslems, that we [non-moslems] have a moral responsibility to rescue, and give sanctuary to moslems 'saltwater crocodiles', who are in danger of being killed by bigger and badder moslems 'saltwater crocodiles'.

I say [that in the case of 'saltwater crocodiles'], let nature takes its course.




see also;
The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379892909




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Reply #191 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:31am
 
Good point, Y. You've had one of the old boy's tasty snacks, no?

Miam miam.
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Reply #192 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:47am
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Good point, Y.




So you are conceding, to my argument ?

That is incredible.

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Reply #193 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:47am:
Karnal wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Good point, Y.




So you are conceding, to my argument ?

That is incredible.



That Moslems kill other Moslems? Not incredible, effende.

Christians kill other Christians, Jews kill Jews, Buddhists and Hindus and Sikhs and Zoroastrians - all kill each other regularly.

All is the will of Gud, no? Nature will always take her course.
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Reply #194 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 11:00am
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:49am:
Yadda wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:47am:
Karnal wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Good point, Y.




So you are conceding, to my argument ?

That is incredible.



That Moslems kill other Moslems? Not incredible, effende.

Christians kill other Christians, Jews kill Jews, Buddhists and Hindus and Sikhs and Zoroastrians - all kill each other regularly.

All is the will of Gud, no? Nature will always take her course.





So that moslems killing other moslems, is just par for the course, because Christians kill other Christians, too ?

So your argument is that many human beings are simply homicidal maniacs, then ?




And so, this is simply the will of your Gud, no?

That is an incredible philosophy.

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