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Reply #15 - May 16th, 2007 at 6:39pm
 
That's rubbish. Of course you can have one without the other.

Which is what I said in my post. If you want clarity, try quoting more than half the sentence.
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Reply #16 - May 16th, 2007 at 6:51pm
 
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Which is what I said in my post. If you want clarity, try quoting more than half the sentence.


What? You mean this???

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unless it involves some kind of conquest or purchase.


What a stupid point. Basically all you're saying is that people of different races/genetic make-up only change their culture when violence or slavery enforces them to so. This is why I left it out freediver... because the point was meaningless.
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Reply #17 - May 16th, 2007 at 6:55pm
 
No, I meant that you can get cross breeding in time of war or by purchasing foreign women. Apart from that cross breeding will only occur in multicultural societies. By trying to remove the cultural differences you inevitably remove the people and the genetic variation that goes with them.
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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #18 - May 16th, 2007 at 7:08pm
 
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2007 at 6:55pm:
No, I meant that you can get cross breeding in time of war or by purchasing foreign women. Apart from that cross breeding will only occur in multicultural societies. By trying to remove the cultural differences you inevitably remove the people and the genetic variation that goes with them.


This is not true, freediver. It's possible to stamp out the culture of newly arrived immigrants. If not the immigrants, the children of the immigrants.

Australian society, as a result of the multiculturalism policies it employs, encourages kids to keep their cultures and from nations within nations. This includes schools, funding for clubs and dentists/doctors that speak languages other than english. Do you honestly think these places pop up privately without Government assistance, freediver? I don't think so. -Even if the odd one here and there is, they should be banned.

So long as immigrants of similar nationality aren't slotted into the one area all together, the migrants will be forced to dispose of their old culture and adapt. It's called peer pressure. In saying that though, certain cultures, make it their mission to keep their culture. This should be dealt with in a different way.

But freediver, at the end of the day, to say that it's 'impossible' to get rid of different cultures within our society is ridiculous. They'd go away if people would stop encouraging it.
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Reply #19 - May 16th, 2007 at 8:52pm
 
You might think that's what has happened, but in reality both cultures have changed into something new. The types of government policy you mentioned have little effect at all. What really matters is how accepting people are of other cultures. If you accept people, the cultures will mix. If you don't accept them they won't mix and you will end up with reduced immigration and multiculturalism the way you define it, which is different cultures living completely separate lives. It is the positive attitude towards other cultures which on the surface appears to support separate cultures, which actually encourages mixing of cultures. People only hold on to cultures when they feel it is being taken away from them. When it is paraded in front of everyone as something good they give it up because it is so embarassing.

They'd go away if people would stop encouraging it.

If they went away you would loose the genetics.
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Reply #20 - May 29th, 2007 at 5:06pm
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2007 at 9:49am:
pro: improved health


Asians started the bubonic plague and more recently the bird flu  and  ,
Africans started aids, Arabs started islam.
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Reply #21 - May 29th, 2007 at 5:13pm
 
Association fallacy. Those dieases did not start because the societies were multicultural, or even because they had a different culture. Plenty of nasty diseases started in Europe before they recently began living in different rooms to their animals.
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Reply #22 - May 29th, 2007 at 5:59pm
 
Races start disease. cultures enhance it.
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Reply #23 - May 30th, 2007 at 12:51pm
 
freediver wrote on May 29th, 2007 at 5:13pm:
Association fallacy. Those dieases did not start because the societies were multicultural, or even because they had a different culture. Plenty of nasty diseases started in Europe before they recently began living in different rooms to their animals.


I see AusNat's point here, freediver.

I've heard that the reason aids actually came about was because Africans were having sex with monkeys...

Yes, that's right, monkeys... Shocked

So anyway, having sex with monkeys might be a particular 'cultural practice' in some parts of Africa... strange, but not impossible.

So the spread of aids technically stemmed from other cultures. But I guess one could argue that it wasn't actually 'cultures mixing' that caused the spread, but rather, 'races mixing.' But I don't have much knowledge on how the actual disease spread from one continent to the other. So it could very well be the mixture of cultures that allowed the disease to pass through continents.

Anyway, what we have to be careful of here... is to avoid mixing the topics 'race' and 'multiculturalism.' They are not of the same thing.
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Reply #24 - May 30th, 2007 at 1:12pm
 



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Australian society, as a result of the multiculturalism policies it employs, encourages kids to keep their cultures and from nations within nations. This includes schools, funding for clubs and dentists/doctors that speak languages other than english. Do you honestly think these places pop up privately without Government assistance, freediver? I don't think so. -Even if the odd one here and there is, they should be banned.


And this policy will be the downfall of our country.
Ban them all.


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So long as immigrants of similar nationality aren't slotted into the one area all together, the migrants will be forced to dispose of their old culture and adapt. It's called peer pressure.


Absolutely correct.

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In saying that though, certain cultures, make it their mission to keep their culture. This should be dealt with in a different way.


Such as the muslims. The only solution to the islamic question is thourough deportation, they are NOT compatible with western society.


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But freediver, at the end of the day, to say that it's 'impossible' to get rid of different cultures within our society is ridiculous. They'd go away if people would stop encouraging it.


And forcefully impose Australian ideas.
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Reply #25 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 2:38pm
 
[quote author=DonaldTrump link=1177922468/0#0 date=1177922467]
The following is a continuation of the the world famous thread yours truly started back in June 2006.
http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?threadid=126689&categoryid=11121




This thread is aimed at LISTING the benefits and drawbacks of MULTICULTURALISM.

Is it really as good as people claim it is?
Or is it a dividing, useless, overrated policy like other people think it is.

Who knows? Maybe people can give me enough reasons to change my mind about the stupid policy that is Multiculturalism.


Multiculturalism

Cons:

[color=#cc0000]1) Alienates people.

  - pro- gives people more chance to find someone they have something in common with
2) Riots.

-pro- allows for a greater depth of empathy and understanding

3) Political correctness gone crazy (ie. Banning bibles in hospitals).
- pro - allows for chidlren to understand the importance of freedom of religion and thought  and how tio cater for the needs of diverse others

4) Community division.
- pro- colourful vibrant exciting community

5) Causes family breakdown.
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- pro- allows some families to survive who woudl die in their homeland

6) Increased crime levels.

- pro- increased small businesses and enterprise

7) Creates ethnic gangs.

- pro - pushes open the minds of the narrowminded and creates teh possibility of greater unity of human kind

8) Cultural apartheid.

-pro - people able to express themselves and feel at home

9) Social disharmony.

- pro- children who maat other childrne of different cultural backgrounds in schools to increase harmony between nations and cultures

10) Language difficulties.

-pro- resources for learning and practicing languages in the community

I could go on, but the point is that  all/most  your claims are a matter of viewpoint.

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Reply #26 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:02pm
 


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- pro- gives people more chance to find someone they have something in common with


And that cant be done amongst the white community?


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-pro- allows for a greater depth of empathy and understanding


What about them?


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pro - allows for chidlren to understand the importance of freedom of religion and thought  and how tio cater for the needs of diverse others


Who cares its our country.

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- pro- colourful vibrant exciting community


HA HA HA thats rich Grin


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- pro- allows some families to survive who woudl die in their homeland


Then let them die. its NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AFTER THEM.

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- pro- increased small businesses and enterprise


Places which speak little to no english

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- pro - pushes open the minds of the narrowminded and creates teh possibility of greater unity of human kind


What a textbook statement from the practice of brainwashing.

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-pro - people able to express themselves and feel at home


We could do that without them.

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- pro- children who maat other childrne of different cultural backgrounds in schools to increase harmony between nations and cultures


Destroys our race.


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-pro- resources for learning and practicing languages in the community


We learn their language but they dont learn ours? Huh

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I could go on, but the point is that  all/most  your claims are a matter of viewpoint.


Please do. im learning about the minds of the Brainwashed
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Reply #27 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:06pm
 
pro - there are fewer riots in multicultural societies
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Reply #28 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:06pm:
pro - there are fewer riots in multicultural societies


Bull!  there are more. look at europe.
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Reply #29 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:06pm:
pro - there are fewer riots in multicultural societies


And you're basing this off what?
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