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Reply #30 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:21pm
 
Ausnat, you have to look at at least two countries for 'more' to make sense. It implies a comparison.
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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #31 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:21pm:
Ausnat, you have to look at at least two countries for 'more' to make sense. It implies a comparison.


Ah yes... so what country are you comparing our 'multiculturalism utopia' to, freediver? Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 3:27pm
 
France, England, Italy, Spain. theres 4.
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Reply #33 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 4:21pm
 
OK, now make the comparison, if you can.
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Reply #34 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 5:54pm
 
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- pro- gives people more chance to find someone they have something in common with


And that cant be done amongst the white community?


Well, not all aussies are the same even without migrants. For instance some are vegetarian, some Buddhist. These people likely benefit from seeing their values expressed as part of another culture but within our own. It tends to make their own positions more acceptable and at least make them feel more part of the wider community to have others here that understand and live this way of life.

Your objections all seem based on a very narrow  impression of what Australia is. Infact one could say that your idea of "australian" is actually mistaken, as australians are factually diverse in both race and ideals anyway.
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Reply #35 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 5:58pm
 
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-pro- allows for a greater depth of empathy and understanding


What about them? 


In both us and them.
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Reply #36 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 7:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2007 at 4:21pm:
OK, now make the comparison, if you can.


Okay... Iceland is a mono-cultural country and it's peaceful.... no riots.

Japan is a somewhat monocultural culture and it has zero riots.


France, America and Germany are all multiculturalism countries that have had nation wide cultural protests.


Gee... that was difficult.


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Well, not all aussies are the same even without migrants. For instance some are vegetarian, some Buddhist. These people likely benefit from seeing their values expressed as part of another culture but within our own. It tends to make their own positions more acceptable and at least make them feel more part of the wider community to have others here that understand and live this way of life. 


Hi Connie. Welcome to my board. It's good to see some pro-multicultural support in here. -Despite the fact that I'm strongly opposed to it. Free debate is always encouraged on the multiculturalism board. Let me emphasise this to the people viewing this thread and don't be scared off just becasue the evil moderator is a so-called 'wacist-bigot.'

Now... how does being a vegetarian and being a buddhist 'benefit' the wider community?


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It tends to make their own positions more acceptable and at least make them feel more part of the wider community to have others here that understand and live this way of life


So... basically what you're saying... is that people who are already buddhist in Australia will benefit from having more buddhists come over? Despite the fact that I have no problem with buddhists... how does this benefit other people other than the ones who are already buddhist? Huh


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Your objections all seem based on a very narrow  impression of what Australia is. Infact one could say that your idea of "australian" is actually mistaken, as australians are factually diverse in both race and ideals anyway.


Couldn't I say the same and say your views are based on a very narrow perception that multiculturalism works no matter what cultures we mix into this country? Or do you think that some cultures need to be restricted?
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Reply #37 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 7:51pm
 
Other 'successful' multiculturalism countries... Israel, Sudan, Yugoslavia, Iraq.
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Reply #38 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
Okay... Iceland is a mono-cultural country and it's peaceful.... no riots. 

Japan is a somewhat monocultural culture and it has zero riots. 


France, America and Germany are all multiculturalism countries that have had nation wide cultural protests. 


Gee... that was difficult.


None of those western countries have lots of riots. Take a look at where most riots happen today - it is in countries that are highly intolerant of multiculturalism and different lifestyles.
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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #39 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 8:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2007 at 7:57pm:
Okay... Iceland is a mono-cultural country and it's peaceful.... no riots.  

Japan is a somewhat monocultural culture and it has zero riots.  


France, America and Germany are all multiculturalism countries that have had nation wide cultural protests.  


Gee... that was difficult.


None of those western countries have lots of riots. Take a look at where most riots happen today - it is in countries that are highly intolerant of multiculturalism and different lifestyles.


Which ones genius?
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Reply #40 - Jun 30th, 2007 at 9:53am
 
Anybody who supports multiculturism is a fool, asking for their own destruction.
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Reply #41 - Jul 8th, 2007 at 7:47am
 
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Well, not all aussies are the same even without migrants. For instance some are vegetarian, some Buddhist. These people likely benefit from seeing their values expressed as part of another culture but within our own. It tends to make their own positions more acceptable and at least make them feel more part of the wider community to have others here that understand and live this way of life.  


Hi Connie. Welcome to my board. It's good to see some pro-multicultural support in here. -Despite the fact that I'm strongly opposed to it. Free debate is always encouraged on the multiculturalism board. Let me emphasise this to the people viewing this thread and don't be scared off just becasue the evil moderator is a so-called 'wacist-bigot.'

Now... how does being a vegetarian and being a buddhist 'benefit' the wider community?


Organisms with many capacities and faces are more resilient and deal better with change- are more likely to survive. If faced with an exterior threat they are more likerly to have the internal resources to deal with it.  In current circumstances, Australia having Muslim residents who are accepted and feel themselves part of the wider community is definitely in Australia's interest, in helping "catch" a potential threat driven by calls from outside the country.  If China or Indonesia invaded it would also be useful to have members of our community who can speak to the invaders. Being a vegetarian is specifically about being part of the spiritual development of the human race to a point where we do not kill and consume our brother and sister animals, and each vegetarian member of our community increases the standing and spiritual status of our society. They also represent a widening segment of compassion and empathy which helps peopel get on together both internally in the country and externally.

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It tends to make their own positions more acceptable and at least make them feel more part of the wider community to have others here that understand and live this way of life


So... basically what you're saying... is that people who are already buddhist in Australia will benefit from having more buddhists come over? Despite the fact that I have no problem with buddhists... how does this benefit other people other than the ones who are already buddhist? Huh


Well- why does it have to? Those already Buddhist are significant.  However the answer is similar to th previous one - increasing diversity, versatility and capacity to adapt within the community. Increased adaptability leads to better survival.


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Your objections all seem based on a very narrow  impression of what Australia is. Infact one could say that your idea of "australian" is actually mistaken, as australians are factually diverse in both race and ideals anyway.


Couldn't I say the same and say your views are based on a very narrow perception that multiculturalism works no matter what cultures we mix into this country? Or do you think that some cultures need to be restricted?


I would probably screen Serbian migrants very very thoroughly before admittance and also I favour deporting migrants who exhibit  physical violence to others.
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Reply #42 - Jul 8th, 2007 at 12:13pm
 
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- pro- allows some families to survive who woudl die in their homeland


there are plenty of families all over the world who will be willing to integrate into our society, and become like us, lets get them instead. I have nothing against a person being black white red yellow or whatever, so they can all come as long as they become aussie.

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regular population growth will also build this.

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- pro - pushes open the minds of the narrowminded and creates teh possibility of greater unity of human kind


Or perhaps multicultralism just prmotes another kind of narrow mindedness? one where those who disagree with what other cultures do and want to do something about it are wrong no matter what?






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Reply #43 - Jul 8th, 2007 at 6:39pm
 
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Organisms with many capacities and faces are more resilient and deal better with change- are more likely to survive. If faced with an exterior threat they are more likerly to have the internal resources to deal with it.  In current circumstances, Australia having Muslim residents who are accepted and feel themselves part of the wider community is definitely in Australia's interest, in helping "catch" a potential threat driven by calls from outside the country.  If China or Indonesia invaded it would also be useful to have members of our community who can speak to the invaders. Being a vegetarian is specifically about being part of the spiritual development of the human race to a point where we do not kill and consume our brother and sister animals, and each vegetarian member of our community increases the standing and spiritual status of our society. They also represent a widening segment of compassion and empathy which helps peopel get on together both internally in the country and externally. 


Okay... this is meaningless to me Connie... because you're avoiding specific examples and leaning towards a more 'ideological,' hence... unrealistic view of multiculturalism.

"Oh... multiculturalism is good becasue it brings people together. -It would stop invaders because they can talk to the guys with machine guns and talk them out of shooting Australians." This is what you're basically saying. You're talking so broadly and not using sufficient evidence to support your claims.

How's about using ACTUAL events and use it as a case study to back up what you're saying?.... that having 300,000 Muslims in Australia they can talk Indonesia out of attacking? Did Germans living in Britain in WWII talk Hitler out of it? Did Iraqis living in Kuwait stop Saddam? Did Sunnis living in Iran stop Saddam?  Roll Eyes See what I'm getting at Connie? Stay realistic... and quit talking such ideoligical mantra.


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Well- why does it have to? Those already Buddhist are significant.  However the answer is similar to th previous one - increasing diversity, versatility and capacity to adapt within the community. Increased adaptability leads to better survival.


Oh give me a break. Diversity is a good thing? Versatility? Adaptabilty? Leads to better survival?  Roll Eyes All these words are stupid and  too broad. You sound like you're quoting Oprah Winfrey or something (No... Oprah Winfrey is NOT a good source of information). Specific examples please... preferably in Australian society. Again I ask... how do Buddhists benefit the Australian community?

To answer your question... it doesn't matter that much with Buddhists. Why? Because Buddhists are nice people who adapt. Moreso, Buddhism isn't even a religion... it's just a practice. Remember, Buddhists don't believe in the afterlife.  Smiley Some say that means it's not spiritual... therefore... not religious. But overall, their practice doesn't benefit 'society'... it just benefits them as 'individuals.' -Making them happier. -Hardly a victory for multiculturalism.


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I would probably screen Serbian migrants very very thoroughly before admittance and also I favour deporting migrants who exhibit  physical violence to others. 


Okay... good. Now we're getting somewhere. So there are certain acceptions. I'm glad you're open-minded enough to say that.

Now... why Serbian immigrants specificically? Are you a Croat by any chance? Or were you just upset with what you saw at the Australian Open earler this year?
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Reply #44 - Jul 8th, 2007 at 7:39pm
 
Congratulations Donald

It is easy, enticing and idiotic to adopt a nonmainstream point of view for the sake of it being nonmainstream.

When one looks at things for their own values, then takes his viewpoint on what he sees.
He can logically put his point of view forward.

Excellent debating - 5/5 easily
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