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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #60 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 7:36pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 7:26pm:

No it doesn't. If you don't think freedom of religion is a good thing, I'm more than happy to leave it at that. Or freedom in general for that matter. If you think freedom is a bad thing, your arguments start to make sense. I see freedom as an end in itself.

'Freedom' in the end is just a word, freediver.

Over-used in almost everything. It's a different meaning for everyone. Why do you think the Iraqis are fighting America? Not because they're 'evil' terrorists, but because they're rejecting America's version of freedom and substituting their own.

Do you have the freedom to take marajuana? To kill someone? To take a girl on the street and hump her in public?

Not really.

Do I believe in freedom of religion? Absolutely... so long as a religion does not cause trouble for others. Simple as that. You can't be so 'black and white' on this matter, freediver... and say, "If you don't believe in allowing Islam or certain other religions then you don't believe in freedom of religion." I hate ideologies... and what you're doing freediver is being ideological. For once, just be practical and leave all this ideological 'freedom of' stuff at the door.

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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #61 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 7:46pm

DT I don't believe I have said anything to indicate that I don't understand the tradeoff's between different freedoms. Most people are more than capable of making a reasonable decision about where one freedom ends and another begins. In any case, that is a more detailed/technical/legal issue, far removed from questioning whether religious variety is beneficial to Australia.

The Iraqis who are killing Americans are not fighting for what they see as a different version of freedom. Your 'different version of freedom' spiel sounds like some of the extreme 'left wing' stuff about how extremists should be free to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them. At least, it's usually associated with left wing ideologues. It's not what I normally expect from you.

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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #62 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 8:01pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 7:46pm:

DT I don't believe I have said anything to indicate that I don't understand the tradeoff's between different freedoms. Most people are more than capable of making a reasonable decision about where one freedom ends and another begins. In any case, that is a more detailed/technical/legal issue, far removed from questioning whether religious variety is beneficial to Australia.

The Iraqis who are killing Americans are not fighting for what they see as a different version of freedom. Your 'different version of freedom' spiel sounds like some of the extreme 'left wing' stuff about how extremists should be free to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them. At least, it's usually associated with left wing ideologues. It's not what I normally expect from you.

Alright... whatever... you just proved my point. It may be left-wing ideology but it's correct.

*End of 'what defines freedom' discussion*

Back on topic. Do you have anything further to contribute to the 'choice' list? Or can you list some benefits of multiple religions give? Seriously... you're making me annoyed by your lack of 'preciseness.'

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48848 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #63 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 8:08pm Monoculturalism stifles creativity.
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #64 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 8:17pm freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 8:08pm: Monoculturalism stifles creativity. Let me correct you... 'multiculturalism increases creativity.' Please give specific examples or explain how. Then explain why it's beneficial.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #65 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 9:48pm Leonardo De Vinci was pretty creative. Socrates, van gogh, michelangelo and strauss were all ok at creating.
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #66 - Jul 10^th, 2007 at 10:28pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 9:48pm: Leonardo De Vinci was pretty creative. Socrates, van gogh, michelangelo and strauss were all ok at creating. And? Please stick to the topic Sprint.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #67 - Jul 11^th, 2007 at 10:23am Sorry Donald. All of those artists/thinkers came from Monocultural societies. they were not "stifled."
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48848 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #68 - Jul 11^th, 2007 at 10:25am Let me correct you... 'multiculturalism increases creativity.' If you agree with me, why do I need to explain it? Do you want me to explain why creativity is beneficial?
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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #69 - Jul 12^th, 2007 at 11:10pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2007 at 10:25am:

Let me correct you... 'multiculturalism increases creativity.'

If you agree with me, why do I need to explain it?

Do you want me to explain why creativity is beneficial?

1) I don't agree.
2) No I don't want to explain why 'creativity' is beneficial... I want to know what multiculturalism has 'created' to prove your point.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48848 At my desk.	Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons Reply #70 - Jul 13^th, 2007 at 10:44am We only disagree on the semantics. I say monoculturalism stifles creativity, you say multiculturalism increases it. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. People create, not isms.
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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #71 - Jul 13^th, 2007 at 8:30pm

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2007 at 10:44am:

We only disagree on the semantics. I say monoculturalism stifles creativity, you say multiculturalism increases it. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

People create, not isms.

You're a frickin moron.

When or where have I said multiculturalism increases creativity?

Whatever... you think monoculturalism stifles creativity. Therefore, you you think multiculturalism is a better option in that increases creativity. Same thing dipsh1t.

I've given examples where monoculturalism has proven it can create culture. Now... smart@ss... put up or shut-up.... give me some examples of multicultulturalism creativity. Surely... if you think it's sooooo much better.... you can think of a couple of things that have resulted from it.

I hope everyones taking note of freediver here. It's the key strategy of multiculturalists.... avoiding the question and using broad, meaningless statements... such as 'multiculturalism increases creativity' to defend their stupid ideology.

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Re: Multiculturalism - Pros and Cons
Reply #73 - Jul 13^th, 2007 at 8:44pm

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Let me correct you... 'multiculturalism increases creativity.'

Right here Tongue

Well everyone reading must have misunderstood me. I was merely correcting freedivers ACTUAL phrase... aka... "Monoculturalism stifles creativity"... when he SHOULD have said "Multiculturalism increases creativity."

In the spirit of this thread... he shouldn't bring 'monoculturalism' into it. The thread is entitiled... 'Multiculturalism' pros and cons.... NOT 'Monoculturalism' pros and cons.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I DO NOT think muliculturalism increases creativity and have not yet seen evidence to prove otherwise. I think creativity happens in isolation if anything. Not when you're having cultures thrown in your face. I think it leads to chaos. -Please ignore that last point on this thread.

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Live healthier on Mediterranean diet
Reply #74 - Jul 29^th, 2007 at 12:25pm

A study like this would not have been possible without a multicultural society. There would have been two many confounding factors if geographic differences were also present.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Live-healthier-on-Mediterranean-diet/2007/07/29/1185647716355.html

Eating a traditional Mediterranean diet - more vegetables, fruits, and fish, and fewer animal products - does seem to ward off heart disease,

an Australian study shows, and it may be especially beneficial for people with diabetes.

Mediterranean-born immigrants in Australia have lower death rates from heart disease than native-born Australians, note Dr Linton R Harriss, from Monash University in Melbourne, and colleagues.

This prompted them to investigate dietary patterns in relation to heart-related mortality "in an ethnically diverse population."

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