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Reply #225 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 6:32pm

No Muslim has ever tried to tell me what I can and cannot wear. Only an aussie nationalist. Are you going to ban wedding outfits with viels as well? What about costumes with masks and baggy clothes?

This sounds to me like you want to get in ahead of the muslims and take away people's rights before they do. Sort of like a race to the bottom of the fascist barrel.

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Aussie Nationalist Ex Member Gender:	Re: Rob a bank or hide a bomb. Reply #226 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 6:43pm The muslims WILL eventually do that!- but with a gun to your head. Nothing wrong with christian gear, they dont blow themselves up. I also thought this was a christian country. nothing wrong with a costume, baggy clothes? its unpresentable but not worth banning. Also i am NOT a fascist. Are you a commie?
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Reply #227 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 6:49pm

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But they aren't trying to take away my rights now. You are.

Do you really think a terrorist would only think of dressing as a muslim woman to hide gun or bomb? Not only is this idea fascist, it is also useless.

Now when was the last time a government started to dictate to a minority group what they can and cannot wear? Some time around 1937?

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Reply #228 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 8:04pm

Trying to take YOUR rights away! did i ever say that? are you a fanatic muslim?
No a terrorist would not nessesarily always dress as a woman, i stated the point because
1 its easy to hide a bomb

2 if cops did try to check if they had a bomb,odds are they would not have one so the police would be in A LOT OF TROUBLE. but then again they might strap a bomb, because they know that no-one would look.

The greatest chance of a bomb going off would be from a bag or vehicle.

I did not mention the muslims that wear teatowels with their faces exposed now did i?
just the letter boxes.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Rob a bank or hide a bomb. Reply #229 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 8:10pm So, your concern is the bombs strapped under their nose, not the one hidden in their dress or handbag? Actually I'm not sure what you are getting at. You seem to be agreeing that the letterbox is not a good place to hide a bomb, but you want to ban it anyway.
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Aussie Nationalist Ex Member Gender:	Re: Rob a bank or hide a bomb. Reply #230 - Feb 21^st, 2007 at 8:21pm strapped under their nose?...........ok,....... Letter box, is referring to the slit where their eyes are. it looks like the opening of a letter box.
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Reply #231 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 12:42am

Freediver, it's only fair that they make an ATTEMPT at integrating into Australian society.

They're always wondering why they're discriminated against. --It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why... their ridiculous outfits.

They're well aware that it offends Australians by wearing Islamic clothes. So why do they continue to do so?

Because it's their religion? -Hardly.
I've been told by many Muslims that it's THEIR choice to dress the way they do. Women don't even need to wear burqas if they do not wish to do so. -This can be confirmed by many Muslims.

It's quite clear that a muslim who wears Islamic clothes are making a political statement... not a religious one.

Therefore, their clothes are unnecessary.

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Reply #232 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 10:53am

Freediver, it's only fair that they make an ATTEMPT at integrating into Australian society.

I thought this was about hiding bombs. So what it's really about is forcing them to be more like us by taking away their right to be different?

They're well aware that it offends Australians by wearing Islamic clothes.

It doesn't offend me. Talk about taking politically correct to the extreme.

It's quite clear that a muslim who wears Islamic clothes are making a political statement... not a religious one.

Clear to who? Not me.

Therefore, their clothes are unnecessary.

And that's justification for taking away people's right to wear whatever they want? Do you really want to make it illegal to wear clothes that can be construed as a political statement by overzealous nationalists? Are you trying to turn Australia into the middle east?

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Reply #233 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 3:49pm

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I thought this was about hiding bombs. So what it's really about is forcing them to be more like us by taking away their right to be different?

I think hiding bombs is exaggerated and it's not really a concern of mine.

And it's not about 'forcing' them to be like us. They should automatically try to be like us as a gesture of good will. If they refuse to be like us, then I think it's just a sign that they chose the wrong country. There's at least fifty Islamic states throughout the Middle East they could choose -Some of which are NOT in a state of war. United Arab Emirates. Kuwait. Turkey. Pakistan. Etc etc. So why did they choose to come here if they have so many alternatives? And reject the locals way of life, whilst clinging hopelessly onto their own with the nieve belief that Australians will eventually accept their way of life? They're wrong for doing that. Quote:

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

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It doesn't offend me. Talk about taking politically correct to the extreme.

You're one person and one person alone, freediver. MOST Australians dislike their choice of clothing. Speak to any Australian who lives among them, you'll get the same answer.

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Clear to who? Not me.

Clear to be people who actually know something about their religion... ME.

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And that's justification for taking away people's right to wear whatever they want? Do you really want to make it illegal to wear clothes that can be construed as a political statement by overzealous nationalists? Are you trying to turn Australia into the middle east?

Oh please spare me the 'you're just as bad as them' line. It's Australia, and their Islamic clothing is unnecessary. It's a political statement that's upsetting many people. And if it's not necessary to wear, why do they continue to wear it? Because they WANT to upset people and cause a stir. In my opinion, that's a LOW act.

Australians are the majority and I'm sure if we lived in a TRUE democracy, it'd be banned in a referendum.

I'm not suggesting for a total ban on Islamic clothing. Just limit it to privacy and on special occasions. It's ridiculous to wear it 24/7. It upsets too many people.

On that note, why is it illegal to walk down the street, naked? Under your reasoning, freediver, people should be allowed to walk down the street naked.

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Reply #234 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 4:04pm

They should automatically try to be like us as a gesture of good will.

No they shouldn't. We certainly shouldn't hold any such expectations of them. If they decide that we are the sort of people they would like to be like, then they will be like us. The easiest way to reinforce someone's culture is to try to opress them.

If they refuse to be like us, then I think it's just a sign that they chose the wrong country.

The biggest thing about living here is freedom. That is probably why they chose this country. You cannot take away their freedom without taking away ours.

MOST Australians dislike their choice of clothing.

Most Australians respect personal freedom far more than they dislike any particular choice of clothing.

And if it's not necessary to wear, why do they continue to wear it? Because they WANT to upset people and cause a stir. In my opinion, that's a LOW act.

That's just absurd. Of course they're not wearing it to upset you or anyone else. You really don't matter that much to them.

Australians are the majority and I'm sure if we lived in a TRUE democracy, it'd be banned in a referendum.

I think you have seriously misjudged the feelings in the community on this issue.

On that note, why is it illegal to walk down the street, naked? Under your reasoning, freediver, people should be allowed to walk down the street naked.

I see people get around naked occasionally. There is a naked bike ride in peak hour traffic coming up. I'm not sure what the laws are, but if it were up to me it would not be illegal, except wear it posed a health risk.

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Re: Rob a bank or hide a bomb.
Reply #235 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 5:04pm

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No they shouldn't. We certainly shouldn't hold any such expectations of them.

Yes we should. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

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If they decide that we are the sort of people they would like to be like, then they will be like us.

Why did they move here then? If they dislike the people in this country, why do they continue to be here then?

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The biggest thing about living here is freedom. That is probably why they chose this country. You cannot take away their freedom without taking away ours.

Right. So if they're so for 'freedom' and the 'opportunities' this country can bring, then why do they maintain their old lifestyle and customs? Why do they continue to live like they used to? What's the difference between living in a country that suits their customs than a country that gives them freedom that they don't want?

Your 'freedom' statement is meaningless. And you're just parroting a Hollywood film.

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That's just absurd. Of course they're not wearing it to upset you or anyone else. You really don't matter that much to them.

Bullsh1t.

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I think you have seriously misjudged the feelings in the community on this issue.

Bullsh1t.

I have polls/surveys to prove it.

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Most Australians respect personal freedom far more than they dislike any particular choice of clothing.

Bullsh1t.

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I see people get around naked occasionally. There is a naked bike ride in peak hour traffic coming up. I'm not sure what the laws are, but if it were up to me it would not be illegal, except wear it posed a health risk.

Actually, if people walk down the street naked it's illegal. They're arrested for indecent exposure.

So, do you think people should be allowed to walk the streets naked, freediver? Being naked and wearing Islamic clothes is no different, as it offends a majority of people.

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Reply #236 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 5:17pm

So if they're so for 'freedom' and the 'opportunities' this country can bring, then why do they maintain their old lifestyle and customs?

Does it matter?

What's the difference between living in a country that suits their customs than a country that gives them freedom that they don't want?

What makes you think they don't want that freedom? You seem to think that freedom means chosing the same thing that you chose. Freedom can just as easily mean chosing to wear traditional garb.

Your 'freedom' statement is meaningless. And you're just parroting a Hollywood film.

I have no idea what you are talking about. And it is not meaningless. You cannot support freedom on one hand then with the other try to take away someone else's freedom.

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Being naked and wearing Islamic clothes is no different, as it offends a majority of people.

No it doesn't. You keep insisting that a majority are offended by islamic dress, without any kind of evidence to back up this absurd claim. The amjority of Australians are fairly tolerant.

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Reply #237 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 3:45am

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Does it matter?

How does YES
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What makes you think they don't want that freedom? You seem to think that freedom means chosing the same thing that you chose. Freedom can just as easily mean chosing to wear traditional garb.

The thing is freediver, Muslims want LESS freedom than most Australians want. THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE!

For example, they don't want alcohol. For example, they don't want pork. For example, they don't want women exposing their bodies. For example, they don't want political freedom. For example, they don't want to live among other religions. This is all provided in a Muslim country, AUSTRALIA DOESN'T!

There is NOTHING

Australian society

HAS that a Muslim country
CAN'T provide. They have everything they could ever wish for in the Middle East. By being in Australia, they're merely causing problems for Australians and RESTRICTING the thing you like to call FREEDOM for the rest of us!!!

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I have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm not surprised.

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And it is not meaningless.

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You cannot support freedom on one hand then with the other try to take away someone else's freedom.

Why not? Is it a law or something?

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Please excuse me if I don't cry, Freediver. Roll Eyes

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No it doesn't.

Mate, I'm not joking, it DOES.

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You keep insisting that a majority are offended by islamic dress, without any kind of evidence to back up this absurd claim.

Easy tiger, you haven't given me much time to display my evidence. Unfortunately, I think I must have deleted my stats and polls to make way for hard-drive space, but I did a quick search to find this:

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PM on head-to-toe Muslim dress : Is he right?
Yes, I find it confronting - 57%
No, it doesn't bother me - 43%
Total Votes: 5767 Poll date: 27/02/06
Source: Sydney Morning Herald

I'm not jumping up and down celebrating just yet, as there's only 5767 who voted in this survey, but I think it gives you a good indication that not everyone sees things YOUR way freediver.

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The amjority of Australians are fairly tolerant.

I think what was left of our tolerance has been smashed to pieces in recent years.

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Reply #238 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 9:19am

Aussie Nat please don't post pornography here. Please edit that post and remove the picture.

For example, they don't want alcohol.

You're equating alcohol with freedom? They are not the same thing.

They have everything they could ever wish for in the Middle East.

How do you know that? Have you asked them?

but I think it gives you a good indication that not everyone sees things YOUR way freediver

I would find it a bit confronting too, but I don't want to ban it. Freedom should be confronting.

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Reply #239 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 10:52am

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How do you know that? Have you asked them?

No. It doesn't take a genius to work out what they do need and don't need.

You talk so much about the 'freedom' (Oh, Glorious freedom) Australia gives them, yet you haven't named anything that Australia gives that the Middle East doesn't. This leads me to conclude that you haven't done much research on Middle Eastern society and Australian society.

I gave several examples of Muslims wanting less freedoms than Australia, which infringes on the Australian way of life, and yet, you've failed to give me ANY examples of UNIQUE freedoms that Australia gives them.

You didn't reply to my point about Muslims 'limited need for freedoms' in my last post.

Would you agree that the Muslim way of life interferes with the Australian way of life somewhat?

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