Oh bvllsh1t. How do you propose that I go out and find out if my 'assumptions' are correct?

You're a smart man. You figure it out.

You'll NEVER be satisfied, will you?

I think you could do a lot better than making assumptions based on the clothes people wear.

It's not like you'reproving your assumptions either, freediver

That's because i'm not nmaking any. I'm just pointing out the shortcomings in this call to curb our freedom and gain nothing in return.

Have 0 knowledge on Islam yourself, but have the nerve to claim that I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'm happy to go with neither of us knowing much about this issue. In the absence of any real knowledge, taking away people's rights based on assumptions is clearly absurd.

They aren't even allowed to go out in PUBLIC

Yes they are. Hence the clothes you are trying to take away from them.

So.. . let me get this straight, you don't know ANYTHING about what your challenging me with?

All I need to know is what you said in order to point out such obvious flaws in it.

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Mate, you've mixed and twisted around my words so much that I've forgotten what I need to prove.

Let me just point out something:
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I NEVER 'equated' the wearing of traditional clothes with support of everything I don't like. YOU just assumed this. I never said it.

So... quit making about ME and stick to the facts, freediver.


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Is that a 'no?'


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Pfffft. You've made

plenty

of assumptions, freediver... trust me. Would you like me to make a list?


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Seems to me I know more about this topic than you, freediver.



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What I meant to say was that in most Islamic countries they can't go out in public without being escorted by a male. But in some cases, they don't go out at all.


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Where?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Muslim-girl-ejected-from-soccer-game/2007/02/27/1172338597996.html

The ejection of an 11-year-old Canadian Muslim girl from a soccer game has reignited Quebec's debate over the "reasonable accommodation" of minorities, even prompting comments from Premier Jean Charest.

The federation says wearing the hijab - an Islamic veil or head scarf - violates a no-headgear rule set down by the sport's governing body for safety reasons.

"My understanding is that the referee applied the rules of the soccer federation and that's why that decision was made," Charest said on Monday.

But that did not stop the chatter on TV and radio shows or blogs which saw the incident as just another example of a debate simmering in Quebec about the so-called "reasonable accommodation" of ethnic, cultural and religious minorities.

Herouxville, a sleepy town in central Quebec dominated by a towering Roman Catholic church, has adopted a declaration of "norms" that tells immigrants how to fit in and forbids face coverings other than on Halloween.

In Montreal, men were banned from prenatal classes at one Montreal community centre to accommodate Muslim, Sikh and Hindu women.

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No headscarf for access card photo

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/No-headscarf-for-access-card-photo/2007/02/28/1172338713883.html

Muslim women who wear headscarves will have to make sure their face is fully visible when they have a photograph taken for the government's new access card.

The proposed system will replace the Medicare card and be compulsory for any Australian who wants to access up to 16 other government health and welfare services.

The instructions say the headscarf will have to be pushed back so that the forehead, cheeks and chin are clearly visible.

While some Muslim women wear the headscarf without any face covering, others wear it with a veil that leaves only their eyes exposed.

"The access card will not be a national identity card," the government said.

Penalties include up to five years' jail for a person who asks someone to produce the access card as proof of identity.

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Group pushing for Muslim MPs: report

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Group-pushing-for-Muslim-MPs-report/2007/03/01/1172338745394.html

An Islamic group is being formed to get more Muslim candidates into Australian politics.

It's hoped Australia's first Muslim federal MP would come from the Sydney-based group being spearheaded by Labor-aligned community leader Omar Yassine.

The proposed group will distinguish between religious and political Islam and promote the merits of Muslims from all political parties to the Islamic and mainstream communities, News Ltd reports.

"We need someone from our community to represent us in the government and to be honest and straightforward," Mr Yassine told News Ltd.

"We have to achieve something and to show respect to ourselves for others to respect us."

While Victoria has state Muslim MPs, NSW does not and nor are there any Islamic MPs at the federal level.

The proposed Muslim committee would comprise men and women from various professions and academic backgrounds.

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UK schools get right to ban Muslim veils

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/UK-schools-get-right-to-ban-Muslim-veils/2007/03/20/1174153068687.html

Students in England could be banned from wearing full-face Muslim veils for security or educational reasons under government guidelines to be published on Tuesday, officials said.

The guidance paper from the Department for Education and Skills (DFES) would leave it up to individual head teachers to decide what pupils should and should not be allowed to wear in class, a DFES spokesman said.

"If they feel any garment imposes on a child's ability to learn or is a safety or security issue, they could be banned," the spokesman said.

The new school guidelines come after a British girl lost a legal battle a year ago to be allowed to wear full Islamic dress in school.

Shabina Begum's case was likened to a row in France triggered by a ban on Muslim headscarves in state schools.

Some Muslim groups accuse the government of creating an atmosphere of "Islamophobia".

The DFES said its guidance will recommend teachers take into account the religious requirements of some pupils to wear items such as a turban.

Referring to the niqab, he said: "Some teachers say it is difficult to read a child's expression or understand what is being said."

"It's not only in England, you have Muslim countries around the world which do impose the same requirements."

In February, the trial of six men accused of plotting suicide bombings in London on July 21, 2005, was told by prosecutors one of the suspects had escaped disguised as a woman in a burqa after the failed attacks.

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Car company must pay up for scarf ban

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Car-company-must-pay-up-for-scarf-ban/2007/06/03/1180809306818.html

A United States federal jury in Phoenix has ruled a car rental company must pay a Muslim woman $US288,000 ($A348,500) after firing her for wearing a head scarf during the holy month of Ramadan.

Bilan Nur was fired by Alamo Rent A Car just four months after the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. She had worked at the company's Phoenix offices since 1999.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22152791-23109,00.html

INSURGENTS dressed as women have killed at least three soldiers in an attack on an Iraqi army checkpoint west of the northern oil hub of Kirkuk today, security officials said.

Fighting began when several gunmen wearing Saudi-style black veils opened fire on the checkpoint, killing three soldiers and wounding a fourth, Captain Mohammed Abdullah said.

In the gunbattle that ensued the soldiers killed and wounded several of the attackers, destroying three cars and seizing another, he said, but without specifying how many militants were killed or wounded.

The soldiers then raided a nearby village, capturing 14 alleged militants connected to the attack. In a separate raid in another village west of Kirkuk the army captured four alleged al-Qaeda insurgents.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Turkish-PM-wants-to-lift-headscarf-ban/2007/09/19/1189881589525.html

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was quoted in the Financial Times on Wednesday as saying he wanted to lift the ban on the Islamic headscarf in universities as part of a planned constitutional overhaul.

The remarks by Erdogan, whose Islamist-rooted AK Party won a new five-year mandate in July elections, could reignite tensions with Turkey's powerful secular elite, including army generals, which suspects him of wanting to boost the role of religion.

"The right to higher education cannot be restricted because of what a girl wears. There is no such problem in Western societies but there is a problem in Turkey and I believe it is the first duty of those in politics to solve the problem," he told the FT in an interview in Ankara.

The secularists regard the headscarf as a symbolic threat to Turkey's separation of state and religion. They also fear any lifting of the ban would put social pressure on uncovered women to start wearing the headscarf in overwhelmingly Muslim Turkey.

But the AK Party says it is a question of freedom of expression and notes that the garment was only banned from university campuses in 1982 after a military coup.

Erdogan's government has pledged to replace Turkey's military-era constitution with a new charter that puts the focus on individual rights and freedoms and is more in line with the requirements of the European Union, which Ankara aims to join.

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Govt has no plans to ban Muslim scarfs

http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/govt-has-no-plans-to-ban-muslim-scarfs/2007/10/14/1192300585199.html

The federal government says it has no plans to ban the wearing of Islamic scarfs at Australian airports.

News Ltd papers reported on Sunday Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews' office was considering prohibiting Muslim air travellers from wearing the hijab, burqa and other types of concealing scarfs, for security reasons.

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Sikh students allowed to carry knives

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Sikh-students-allowed-to-carry-knives/2007/12/06/1196812855186.html

Some students in Victoria could be allowed to carry small knives to school for religious reasons.

Sikh students would be allowed to carry small ornamental daggers under a plan that has outraged teachers and principals, News Ltd newspapers reported.

A Victorian parliamentary committee has also given the green light for Muslim students to wear hijabs in the state's classrooms.

What is norway doing in harbouring a terrorist ?
He should be assassinated/deported to meet justice.  He is hiding out in norway

A nice article I found about this:

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Need I say more?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on May 3^rd, 2007 at 3:16pm:


got a link?

is the author that wrote this article educated in islam? or are they drawing conclusions based on their own interpretation of the text?

that's very important.