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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Had a good laugh the other day. Reply #195 - Jul 24^th, 2007 at 12:19pm What does Christianity have to say about pedophilia?
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Re: Had a good laugh the other day.
Reply #196 - Jul 24^th, 2007 at 2:27pm

mantra wrote on Jul 24^th, 2007 at 12:16pm:

but obviously there were no laws in place back then to say this was wrong.

that's true, u can't really apply today's definition of paedophila to 1500 years ago, since the definition of paedophila has changed over time.

to marry someone who has turned 9 or 10 was not unheard of at the time, and was actually the norm in most cases.

some cultures today (e.g. in Africa and South East Asia), take the view that once a woman hits puberty (i.e. starts getting her periods), then she is eligible for marriage. actually, a few months ago i remembered reading in the papers about an 11-year old girl in Singapore that had given birth and her husband was 25 years old. he wasn't charged with paedophila at all and was listed on the child's birth certificate as the father.

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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: Had a good laugh the other day. Reply #197 - Jul 24^th, 2007 at 3:23pm Skeptic says... Quote: that's true, u can't really apply today's definition of paedophila to 1500 years ago, since the definition of paedophila has changed over time. I agree with this.
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Re: Had a good laugh the other day.
Reply #198 - Jul 24^th, 2007 at 8:01pm

yes, always a good idea to ask for quotes. I could make up anything.
I cannot vouch specifically for them myself as I have not read them myself in the koran.
This sexist attitude is common in the koran, I can vouch for that myself. I have read that.

Bukhari vol. 7,#65: "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 7,#88: "Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

You people may theoretically support a 6 year old bride to a 51 year old man. I don't.
It's ok, we can agree to disagree.

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Had a good laugh the other day. Reply #199 - Jul 24^th, 2007 at 8:19pm Quote: You people may theoretically support a 6 year old bride to a 51 year old man. I don't. It's ok, we can agree to disagree. I'm glad you've got a sense of humour Sprintcyclist.
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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Had a good laugh the other day. Reply #200 - Jul 25^th, 2007 at 8:04pm Off-topic discussion... thread closed.
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Islamic studies 'will counter ignorance'
Reply #201 - Oct 23^rd, 2007 at 8:20pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Islamic-studies-will-counter-ignorance/2007/10/23/1192941044666.html

Australia's first National Centre of Excellence for Islamic Studies will help counter ignorance of Muslim culture in a time of worldwide tension and unrest, Vocational and Further Education Minister Andrew Robb says.

Speaking at the opening at the University of Melbourne, Mr Robb said the centre was partially modelled on the Centre for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University in Washington DC, whose academics help the US government make decisions on Islamic affairs.

The centre will combine resources from the University of Melbourne, Griffith University in Queensland and the University of Western Sydney.

"I found the governments in the United States relied heavily on the wisdom and the insights of a lot of those scholars of all religious backgrounds who have benefited from understanding one another," Mr Robb said.

"And that meant within the US, they are making more balanced decisions and helping the integration of Muslim members of their community in an effective way."

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40662 Gender:	Re: Islamic studies 'will counter ignorance' Reply #202 - Oct 27^th, 2007 at 12:05am Think they should start by "educating" the muslim terrorists first ? Well, muslim is an unrequired word, all terrorists are muslims. Terrorism is not our doing. muslims have always been murdering each other and anyone who is handy
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Re: Islamic studies 'will counter ignorance'
Reply #203 - Oct 30^th, 2007 at 10:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 27^th, 2007 at 12:05am:

Think they should start by "educating" the muslim terrorists first ?

Well, muslim is an unrequired word, all terrorists are muslims.

Terrorism is not our doing. muslims have always been murdering each other and anyone who is handy

dont know what this post is about

confusing

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Reply #204 - Oct 30^th, 2007 at 8:43pm

Hi jerry,

my take on it is, the first posting by freediver is the muslims saying if we apply ourselves to learn their ways and accept them as they are, there won't be as much conflict.

My posting says, if they want to live here, they should assimilate to us. We won't become muslims.
I know how they are mentally. The moderates are obsessed. We should educate them about their own blood thirsty intolerant ways.
They have ruined england and are taking over in europe.
The vast majority of islam countries are lagging seriously on development and human freedom.
I don't want them here, I don't like them. I have met them, read a bit and make an informed decision.

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Re: Islamic studies 'will counter ignorance'
Reply #205 - Oct 30^th, 2007 at 9:58pm

if we apply ourselves to learn their ways and accept them as they are, there won't be as much conflict.

My posting says, if they want to live here, they should assimilate to us

Understanding is not the same as assimilation, either way

all terrorists are muslims

You know that isn't true sprint. We've covered this here before.

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Reply #206 - Oct 30^th, 2007 at 10:15pm

Have a talk with one about his beliefs freediver.
Listen to him/her defend his paedophillic leader, his murderous ways, the terrorism of other muslims today.
That's what I did.

I stand by my comment of all terrorism coming from muslims.
Given, it is not exactly correct, but numerically and withthe intent meant it is true enough.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Islamic studies 'will counter ignorance' Reply #207 - Oct 30^th, 2007 at 10:18pm No. It is wrong and you know it is wrong. Yet you still say it. That's what a lie is. Furthermore, if you put it in historical context muslims are only responsible for a small minority of terrorist attacks, and the reasons behind the attacks are more closely related to politics than religion.
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Reply #208 - Oct 30^th, 2007 at 10:50pm

More an approximation than a lie.
I agree some terrorist acts are carried out by criminal groups, seperatists etc.
The vast overwhelming majority are by muslims who want to martyr themselves.

In historical context ?? I am alive now, not 200 years ago.
Those murdered in Bali were alive only a few years ago.

their religion is their politics. They are inseperable.

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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Islamic studies 'will counter ignorance' Reply #209 - Oct 31^st, 2007 at 1:11am I dont see Islam as evil in itself, but the evil is brought out by the JEWS as it would in us Christians if we were PHYSICALLY invaded by those Jews. Hey FD, What would you do if Israel invaded Australia?
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