The same thing I'd do if any other country invaded. Though it is a rather absurd question. I think it says a lot about your paranoia of jews. You shouldn't take all that racist propaganda so seriously.

In historical context ?? I am alive now, not 200 years ago.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

their religion is their politics. They are inseperable.

Their politics and our politics are also inseperable now. That doesn't mean you cannot think rationally about the politics.

Taking your history lessons from religious texts rather than what actually happens is just as bad as joining your religion and your politics. It's a quote about someone's personality, not an attempt to grasp the underlying causes of terrorism.

I have to admit I've had doubts in the past whether Muslims are indeed as rude as I thought they were.

After all... most of my observations of them were from afar, in places such as the library, supermarket, the train, etc etc etc.

I always had a hint of doubt in the back of my mind that maybe... just maybe... they aren't as bad as I think they are... and that the lefties could be indeed correct when they say, "just get to know them personally and you will see how different they are to how you perceive them."

Well... I'm here to say today... that everything I thought about them... seems to be confirmed in talking with them on a personal basis. Hence making me dislike them even more (If that's possible).

My new job... (I'm not disclosing it)... forces me to deal with them every day. And believe me... they are the rudest bunch of people I have ever come across. 10 times worse than the average Aussie customer. And about five times worse than a southern European customer (I think Italians and Greeks are particularly hard to deal with).

Now... this thread is mainly targetting Gavin... because in his accounting job... he has to work alongside these guys...

I know I'm not 'getting to know them on a personal basis' as much as you, Gavin. As I only deal with them once or twice for about on hour each time and most likely never see them again after that.... but they just seem to be arrrogant, rude, loud... and above all... swindling. What are the ones like that you work with? Have I been misled by these meetings with them? Is by some coincidence all of the ones I've met acting in the same manner a fluke?

I met a perfectly nice guy the other day... an IRAQI believe it or not. And I liked him... because he was well-mannered, quiet and seemed to be quite a humble and happy fellow. --Might I add, he was also a Christian?

Are you working with actual 'Muslims?' If so, are they Shiite or Sunni? Or are they not Muslims at all and are simply dark-skinned from the Middle East?

Anyway, to all you lefites out there... who say 'meet them before you judge them' perhaps it's time that you got a taste of your own medicine and went out and met a few and observed how they act towards Australians. Seriously, if you get along with them, your standards must be pretty low.

Yes they are and ive been belting this out for years.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2007 at 4:31pm:


Moreso, they are very sneaky and attempt to be 'tricky'.

Especially when they try to make 'deals' with me.

Have you ever seen a Muslim go into a store and try and buy something for half the price? -Even if it's in a big corporation where the employees have no hope in hell of lowering the price?


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Therefore, rudeness is there culture is it freediver? 
If that's the case then I don't want it. Maybe I should just adapt to the rudeness for the rest of my life and not blink an eye? After all... this is more their country than mine, isn't it?


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My observations were very straight forward... I acted politely, they acted loudly, obnoxiously and tried intimidating me. That's rude behaviour. It's peasant culture. Compared to Australian + Asian and even Indian people (I know that's stretching it a bit) they were ten times worse, IMHO.


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No... I treated them no better or no worse than other people. No, and I didn't shoot them dirty looks either. I'm very reserved and mild-mannered in real life. This forum allows me to vent some frustration.

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I did. Don't believe me? Tough.


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Oh good god. I'm a pro at body language. I didn't give any negative vibes at all. I approached them in EXACTLY the same way I did with Aussies. Spoke in the same way... didn't make any unnecessary facial expressions.. didn't 'sigh' or 'groan' or roll my eyes.. nothing. It was fool proof. Most even spoke to me aggressively/rudely before I even had the opportunity to notice them.


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Oh I see. So I have to put up with it for the rest of my life, do I?

Sprint, that is not what I said.

I did. Don't believe me? Tough.

I'm not saying you are lying. I'm saying you are unaware of your own role.

Oh I see. So I have to put up with it for the rest of my life, do I?

Yes.

Did you know that Australians have a tendency to speak quietly, understate things, use self deprecation and have larger personal space? Once you recognise that it is down to culture and not rudeness, you stop being offended. Then you start interacting in a more constructive way. You cannot expect people to simply change things that they do without thinking, but you can expect others to get over it once they see it for what it is. Constantly seeking comfort in the familiar is a sign of a closed mind.