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Re: Mohammed's past.....
Reply #30 - Jun 4^th, 2007 at 1:08pm

Aussie - No need to apologise to me for quizzing my beliefs.

yes, heat and dehydration would cause all sorts of weird stuff to be seen/heard.whatever.
I guess it depends what is said. ie if it is "jellybeans are grown on mars"
maybe not a good sign .

if it is a correct prophecy or something about me they had no idea of knowing ....... interesting.

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Why some muslims can kill others.
Reply #31 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 9:39pm

Here is an interesting word - Takfir.

Is is bad for one muslim to kill another. Nonmuslims are immaterial, recommended to kill really.
But another muslim is a nono.
Takfir - means if someone says they are a muslim, but they aren't (by whose standards?), they can be killed. It is quite ok.
Takfir comes from the word kafir.

Hence, sunnnis and shiites can relish in their "religious" bloodshed.

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AusNat Ex Member Gender:	Re: Why some muslims can kill others. Reply #32 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 10:52pm You been watching ''jihad'' on SBS ay sprint? I learnt a new term aswell, ''UMMAH'' which means islamic community as a whole. So my new battle cry is DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO UMMAH!
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40175 Gender:	Re: Why some muslims can kill others. Reply #33 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 11:16pm hahahhaha Is what they want ausnat !!! Yes, I did see that. Now tuning in my congas. man, congas are great. Had a lesson fron a guy at work, really helped me on the "mechanical" side to them.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40175 Gender:	Re: Why some muslims can kill others. Reply #34 - Jun 8^th, 2007 at 2:05pm The religion of piece Yes, piece of bodies chopped up
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Behold-- Australia's new mufti
Reply #35 - Jun 12^th, 2007 at 4:45pm

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New Mufti doubts bin Laden role

Mark Dunn

June 12, 2007 12:00am

AUSTRALIA'S new mufti, Sheik Fehmi Naji el-Imam, won't accept that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the September 11 attacks on the United States.

In his first day in the job, the cleric stuck by his long-standing view that questions whether bin Laden was behind the 2001 attacks.

"What evidence?" he said when asked if he now accepted bin Laden's role in the atrocity.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21889477-661,00.html

From a basterd to a basterd I guess. Roll Eyes

Just reinforcing the view that there is no such thing as 'Moderate Muslims.'

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AusNat Ex Member Gender:	Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti Reply #36 - Jun 12^th, 2007 at 6:21pm So it hasnt ended. Bring it on camel jockey.
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Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti
Reply #37 - Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:32pm

has anyone seen the Loose Change Sept 11 documentary? and yes, i know some people will write it off as a conspiracy theory, but i have to admit it raised some good points and i doubt we're been told the whole truth about what happened on Sept 11. although, i'm not saying bin Laden didn't do it, but there's evidence to suggest other parties were involved as well.

anyway, my point is the views of this new mufti isn't something new, alot of people (both muslim and non-muslims) believe that Osama Bin Laden was used as a scapegoat and there official Sept 11 story isn't exactly correct.

by the way, i noticed this part of the article:
"His stance flies in the face of bin Laden's own confession, aired in a December 2001 video."

i saw that so-called confession, the tape was found to be a hoax, refer to the following link:
http://www.mujca.com/hoax.htm

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AusNat Ex Member Gender:	Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti Reply #38 - Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:35pm Well, i dont trust the C.I.A exactly- they've set up things before. I'd say the C.I.A knew about the imminent attacks but chose not to stop it so the U.S could go to war.
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Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti
Reply #39 - Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:45pm

skeptic wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:32pm:

has anyone seen the Loose Change Sept 11 documentary? and yes, i know some people will write it off as a conspiracy theory, but i have to admit it raised some good points and i doubt we're been told the whole truth about what happened on Sept 11. although, i'm not saying bin Laden didn't do it, but there's evidence to suggest other parties were involved as well.

anyway, my point is the views of this new mufti isn't something new, alot of people (both muslim and non-muslims) believe that Osama Bin Laden was used as a scapegoat and there official Sept 11 story isn't exactly correct.

by the way, i noticed this part of the article:
"His stance flies in the face of bin Laden's own confession, aired in a December 2001 video."

i saw that so-called confession, the tape was found to be a hoax, refer to the following link:
http://www.mujca.com/hoax.htm

Not a very reliable website, is it skeptic? I wont be convinced until I'm shown a genuinely repectable site.

However, I move that we open up a new thread debating whether Osama Bin Laden was indeed behind the attacks in the first place.

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Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti
Reply #41 - Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:51pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:45pm:

Not a very reliable website, is it skeptic? I wont be convinced until I'm shown a genuinely repectable site

True, the website is biased, but it has a link showing the confession tape - the guy in the tape that is supposed to be Osama Bin Laden doesn't even look like him. for one, he was darker, fatter and had different facial features.

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Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti
Reply #42 - Jun 13^th, 2007 at 12:19am

skeptic wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:51pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 10:45pm:

Not a very reliable website, is it skeptic? I wont be convinced until I'm shown a genuinely repectable site

True, the website is biased, but it has a link showing the confession tape - the guy in the tape that is supposed to be Osama Bin Laden doesn't even look like him. for one, he was darker, fatter and had different facial features.

Um... I kind of find it hard to believe that they found a double of Osama Bin Laden to 'act' out a scene in the video. That's taking it a bit... far... isn't it?

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Re: Behold-- Australia's new mufti
Reply #43 - Jun 13^th, 2007 at 9:14am

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 13^th, 2007 at 12:19am:

Um... I kind of find it hard to believe that they found a double of Osama Bin Laden to 'act' out a scene in the video. That's taking it a bit... far... isn't it?

Well, i don't think it's far fetched at all, before the video was found there wasn't any concrete proof that Osama Bin Laden was involved in the Sept 11 attacks (mostly circumstantial evidence) - this video was supposed to be the "smoking gun".

Anyway, have a look at the pics urself and tell me if u think the guy looks like Osama Bin Laden. I personally don't think he does - there's are quite distinct differences, the main one being that the guy in the video was fatter & had darker skin.

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