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Re: muslim honour
Reply #60 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:23pm
 
Gavin wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 12:25pm:
sprintcyclist, so i take it that u believe that Islam says it's okay for a guy to kill his own daughter??

u have a Koranic quote to support that?? or is this another case of taking the actions of a person and blaiming the religion?? i seem to remember in another topic that u posted that when a muslim guy slept with his daughters that u were adament that Islam allowed it, but yet couldn't provide a Koranic quote to support it.


Are you in a coma gavin?  If not open your bloody eyes.
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Reply #61 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:36pm
 
Ausnat wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:23pm:
Gavin wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 12:25pm:
sprintcyclist, so i take it that u believe that Islam says it's okay for a guy to kill his own daughter??

u have a Koranic quote to support that?? or is this another case of taking the actions of a person and blaiming the religion?? i seem to remember in another topic that u posted that when a muslim guy slept with his daughters that u were adament that Islam allowed it, but yet couldn't provide a Koranic quote to support it.


Are you in a coma gavin?  If not open your bloody eyes.


AusNat, people do bad actions for a variety of reasons, religion is sometimes a factor but other time it isn't.

so just because a muslim commits a crime it doesn't mean his religion condones it, just like the same way if a christian or jew commits a crime, it doesn't mean christianity or judaism says it's okay.

but the issue is different if there is a quote from their religious text that says it's okay, i asked sprintcyclist to show me a quote to support a guy killing his own daughter. if he can't provide that, then u can't blame the guys actions on his religion. 

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Reply #62 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:41pm
 

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AusNat, people do bad actions for a variety of reasons, religion is sometimes a factor but other time it isn't.


Its crime no matter which way its looked at.

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so just because a muslim commits a crime it doesn't mean his religion condones it, just like the same way if a christian or jew commits a crime, it doesn't mean christianity or judaism says it's okay.


In islam, its accepted practice. ''Honour killings'' for not wearing a teatowel, Beatings for not submitting to the husbands will, Stonings etc... these are well documented facts in the islamic world.
Believe it or not, Jews practice this too.

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but the issue is different if there is a quote from their religious text that says it's okay, i asked sprintcyclist to show me a quote to support a guy killing his own daughter. if he can't provide that, then u can't blame the guys actions on his religion. 


Im not educated on the koran (i care not to read that shite) but i do watch their actions.

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Reply #63 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:45pm
 
Ausnat wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:41pm:
In islam, its accepted practice. ''Honour killings'' for not wearing a teatowel, Beatings for not submitting to the husbands will, Stonings etc... these are well documented facts in the islamic world.
Believe it or not, Jews practice this too.


if honour killings are an acceptable practice in Islam, then i would like to see the quote from the Koran that supports it.

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Im not educated on the koran (i care not to read that shite) but i do watch their actions.


but what if their actions are different to their religious teachings? why blame the religion then?

say for example, a christian guy committed adultery even though christianity says adultery is a sin - does it make sense to blame christianity and say it allows adultery because it's followers commit it? obviously not.
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Reply #64 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:54pm
 
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but what if their actions are different to their religious teachings? why blame the religion then?

say for example, a christian guy committed adultery even though christianity says adultery is a sin - does it make sense to blame christianity and say it allows adultery because it's followers commit it? obviously not.


Then the race and culture are to blame. Same shite differnt smell.
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Reply #65 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 5:14pm
 
Gavin wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:45pm:
Ausnat wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 4:41pm:
In islam, its accepted practice. ''Honour killings'' for not wearing a teatowel, Beatings for not submitting to the husbands will, Stonings etc... these are well documented facts in the islamic world.
Believe it or not, Jews practice this too.


if honour killings are an acceptable practice in Islam, then i would like to see the quote from the Koran that supports it.

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Im not educated on the koran (i care not to read that shite) but i do watch their actions.


but what if their actions are different to their religious teachings? why blame the religion then?

say for example, a christian guy committed adultery even though christianity says adultery is a sin - does it make sense to blame christianity and say it allows adultery because it's followers commit it? obviously not.


So if I manage to dig up a quote, Gavin, would you accept that we're right and you're wrong?
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Reply #66 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 5:24pm
 
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So if I manage to dig up a quote, Gavin, would you accept that we're right and you're wrong?


i didn't say i'm right, i just didn't want to jump to conclusions without seeing the evidence first (i.e. whether it is condoned by their religious teachings).

so if u can find a quote from the Koran that says a guy can murder his own daughter and that it's allowed that would be good. even better if u can find a link as well.
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Reply #67 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 5:29pm
 
Well... I can find a truckload of evidence that a man has every right to kill his wife if he commits adultery under Islam. After all, thousands of women are killed each year in Muslim countries...including 'civilised' ones like that of Turkey. But the whole 'daughter killing' thing may be a little trickier and too specific to dig up at this stage.

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Reply #68 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 5:55pm
 
About 10 years ago i remember that an islamic teenage girl was killed by her father because she (it) took off her teatowel. ''It was too hot'' was her complaint so he killed her for ''honour''.
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Reply #69 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 11:14pm
 
Ausnat wrote on Jun 12th, 2007 at 5:55pm:
About 10 years ago i remember that an islamic teenage girl was killed by her father because she (it) took off her teatowel. ''It was too hot'' was her complaint so he killed her for ''honour''.



This is fascinating ..do go on..

There all kinds of crimes committed against women in Arab countries , not all Arab countries though...but without any further reading on the subject, Id say its a basic lack of respect for women , no value placed on them as a worthwhile members of society.

Be very interesting to see where and why this attitude came about in the beginning...regarded as  sexual objects and completely disposable.In some countries women are revered for their capacity to create  life and have a completely different standing within their commnuity and religion.

How di this come about and how did they reconcile and incorporate this into their koran..ie:religion?

A lot of Muslim women , although not alone, face unspeakable cruelties..women in Rwanda and Ethiopia other countries fair little better.
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Reply #70 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 11:20pm
 
Oceans - this attitude toward women is what is stated in the koran.  To not mistreat their women would be not following the koran.

various quotes say "a woman is 1/2 a man", "most of the people in hell will be women", when one of mohammads cronies nmurdered two women for him mohammad said "It means a little as two goats butting their heads together."

I can give you MANY more, with references if you want.

Add their abuses toward women in the koran, and the recommendation for murdering. it is no wonder they murder their women.  "moderate muslims" are not adhering to the koran.
What hilali says is what the koran says.
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Reply #71 - Jun 13th, 2007 at 4:04pm
 
AusNat:

In islam, its accepted practice.

Prove it.

Then the race and culture are to blame. Same shite differnt smell.

So Islam isn't to blame? It's not like you to acknowledge non-religious causes.

Christians used to burn 'witches' at the stake. That doesn't mean Christianity allows or condones it. Grasping for the simple answer will just give you the wrong answer.

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What hilali says is what the koran says.

Does Hilaly say to kill your daughters of they dishonour you? I've read a lot of his comments to the media and from what I can gather I'm pretty sure he would oppose this.
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Reply #72 - Jun 13th, 2007 at 4:22pm
 
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[quote author=freediver link=1181614826/15#20 date=1181714693]AusNat:

In islam, its accepted practice.

Prove it.


Watch documentaries about Afghanistan, saudi arabia, iran and pakistan.

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Then the race and culture are to blame. Same shite differnt smell.

So Islam isn't to blame? It's not like you to acknowledge non-religious causes.


Oh i acknowledge it alright, Arabs, indians, Africans etc of any faith are hideous people in relation to the treatment of women.

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These were fanatical christians. I hold these in as much contempt as any muslim.
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Reply #73 - Jun 13th, 2007 at 4:26pm
 
Watch documentaries about Afghanistan, saudi arabia, iran and pakistan.

That's your proof? Watching documentaries about countries to learn about a religion?

Oh i acknowledge it alright, Arabs, indians, Africans etc of any faith are hideous people in relation to the treatment of women.

The race thing - do you really think a person's genetics can cause them to kill their daughter? Wouldn't that be a rather difficult trait to pass on? I know you are a believer (in evolution that is) so you should be able to understand my confusion.
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Reply #74 - Jun 13th, 2007 at 4:44pm
 
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Watch documentaries about Afghanistan, saudi arabia, iran and pakistan. [quote]

That's your proof? Watching documentaries about countries to learn about a religion?


Well my mind is not a bloody computer! cant remember everything. History books too freediver.


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Oh i acknowledge it alright, Arabs, indians, Africans etc of any faith are hideous people in relation to the treatment of women.

The race thing - do you really think a person's genetics can cause them to kill their daughter? Wouldn't that be a rather difficult trait to pass on? I know you are a believer (in evolution that is) so you should be able to understand my confusion.


These people arent as evolved as we are. three things mix together to make these people who they are-   Race, Culture, Religion.

Thats all im going to say on the subject. You people are like talking to a brick wall.
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