Ausnat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 4:23pm:


AusNat, people do bad actions for a variety of reasons, religion is sometimes a factor but other time it isn't.

so just because a muslim commits a crime it doesn't mean his religion condones it, just like the same way if a christian or jew commits a crime, it doesn't mean christianity or judaism says it's okay.

but the issue is different if there is a quote from their religious text that says it's okay, i asked sprintcyclist to show me a quote to support a guy killing his own daughter. if he can't provide that, then u can't blame the guys actions on his religion. 

Ausnat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 4:41pm:


if honour killings are an acceptable practice in Islam, then i would like to see the quote from the Koran that supports it.

Quote:


but what if their actions are different to their religious teachings? why blame the religion then?

say for example, a christian guy committed adultery even though christianity says adultery is a sin - does it make sense to blame christianity and say it allows adultery because it's followers commit it? obviously not.

Gavin wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 4:45pm:


So if I manage to dig up a quote, Gavin, would you accept that we're right and you're wrong?

Well... I can find a truckload of evidence that a man has every right to kill his wife if he commits adultery under Islam. After all, thousands of women are killed each year in Muslim countries...including 'civilised' ones like that of Turkey. But the whole 'daughter killing' thing may be a little trickier and too specific to dig up at this stage.

Ausnat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2007 at 5:55pm:



This is fascinating ..do go on..

There all kinds of crimes committed against women in Arab countries , not all Arab countries though...but without any further reading on the subject, Id say its a basic lack of respect for women , no value placed on them as a worthwhile members of society.

Be very interesting to see where and why this attitude came about in the beginning...regarded as  sexual objects and completely disposable.In some countries women are revered for their capacity to create  life and have a completely different standing within their commnuity and religion.

How di this come about and how did they reconcile and incorporate this into their koran..ie:religion?

A lot of Muslim women , although not alone, face unspeakable cruelties..women in Rwanda and Ethiopia other countries fair little better.

AusNat:

In islam, its accepted practice.

Prove it.

Then the race and culture are to blame. Same shite differnt smell.

So Islam isn't to blame? It's not like you to acknowledge non-religious causes.

Christians used to burn 'witches' at the stake. That doesn't mean Christianity allows or condones it. Grasping for the simple answer will just give you the wrong answer.

sprint:

What hilali says is what the koran says.

Does Hilaly say to kill your daughters of they dishonour you? I've read a lot of his comments to the media and from what I can gather I'm pretty sure he would oppose this.

Watch documentaries about Afghanistan, saudi arabia, iran and pakistan.

That's your proof? Watching documentaries about countries to learn about a religion?

Oh i acknowledge it alright, Arabs, indians, Africans etc of any faith are hideous people in relation to the treatment of women.

The race thing - do you really think a person's genetics can cause them to kill their daughter? Wouldn't that be a rather difficult trait to pass on? I know you are a believer (in evolution that is) so you should be able to understand my confusion.