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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #15 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 12:28pm It's a conundrum but all emissions need to be on the table.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48861 At my desk.	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #16 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 12:47pm All emissions? So people should have to pay for the right to fart?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #17 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 1:46pm So oceans and freediver, how are they going to reduce the carbons ? there is all figures, limits, penalties, costs, credits, acronomyns in that posting. But no ideas on how to reduce GHGs To date, kyoto has made more GHGs than it has saved.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48861 At my desk.	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #18 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 1:48pm To date, kyoto has made more GHGs than it has saved. That's absurd.
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Reply #19 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 3:33pm

Thanks

kyoto is ineffective and inefficient

look at the GHGs released to get all the bigwigs from all over the world into one meeting.
They stay in 5 star hotels, get chauffeur driven in limos, have swanky 3 hour lunches.
With no real outcome.
Lots of feelgood words and acrononyms, lambasting countries that do not join the voluntary group.

Howard gets double points for not wasting his time and adding to GHGs.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48861 At my desk.	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #20 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 3:48pm Do you even know what the outcome was?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #21 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 4:32pm The outcome ? Yes, they all signed bits of paper.
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Reply #22 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 4:37pm

Oh, then they shook hands, patted each other on the back, smiled for piccies, swoppped presents, hopped back into chauffeur driven limosines, got driven back to their 5 star restaurants for a last swanky meal or 3.
And flew back to their honmes 1st class in jets.

Sorry, quite forgetful of me. Hope they had a good time there at my expense.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48861 At my desk.	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #23 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 4:43pm You forgot to mention that emitting CO2 in Europe costs about $40 per tonne now.
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Reply #24 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 5:25pm

I agree with IQSRLOW and Sprintcyclist in that Kyoto is ineffective and inefficient, but not for the same reasons. It doesn't work because it doesn't set targets for developing countries, doesn't include the USA, China or India nor does it talk about things like technology or expertise transfer. As well as that, I don't agree with slugging business for GHG emissions and leaving it at just that. Any plan to combat 'Climate Change' has got to be comprehensive and it HAS to include the corporate world. I actually agree with Howard in that we should look for a plan that doesn't impact negatively on the economy. However, considering Canada's Conservative government is implementing a comprehensive plan that includes a 20% reduction in GHG emissions by 2020, that it predicts will have a negative impact on economic growth - in the decimals, Howard shouldn't really be having great difficulty. But then Howard doesn't like change. Especially not climate change.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48861 At my desk.	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #25 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 5:30pm I don't agree with slugging business for GHG emissions and leaving it at just that. Any plan to combat 'Climate Change' has got to be comprehensive and it HAS to include the corporate world. What did you mean by that?
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Reply #26 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 7:48pm

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2007 at 12:47pm:

All emissions? So people should have to pay for the right to fart?

Don't be ridiculous.

Under my scheme, anyone who farts would be put to death in gas chambers, ironically using CO2 and because of the demand, giant CO2 generators would be installed...but I will make sure they are powered by wind farms.

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Reply #27 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 7:49pm

Progs - I agree.
Any push to reduce GHGs has to essentially be instigated by corporations and customers.
Financially the public will pay for it. Any charges to corporations will filter down to customers.

last time I heard, CO2 per ton had a "theoretical" price of $20 - $40.
As set down by an unrealistic committee.
The market price is about $0.06c. When it is traded.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48861 At my desk.	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #28 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 8:02pm The market price is about $0.06c. When it is traded. Where did you get that from?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40717 Gender:	Re: Indonesia is No 3 greenhouse gas emitter Reply #29 - Jun 5^th, 2007 at 8:15pm I think the radio.
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