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DT, AN and sprint implied (or stated explicitly) that certain races are inherently (ie genetically) inferior and have a lower IQ. This is not true and is based on prejudice rather than evidence. Where IQ differences have been detected, they have been small and attributable to cultural influences on the test. They have always been insignificant compared to the variation in IQ within a group.

Hi freediver - to repeat my question.
How do YOU account for the list of standards of living I posted ?

By referring you to Jared Diamond's book, "Guns, Germs and Steel"

Because they are the second most stupid race on earth.  I wasnt going to mention Abo's  first but now that you've mentioned it-  The Aboriginal people of Australia are the most backwards people on earth.

My family employs aboriginal people. They are some of the best employees. Your claim is based on prejudice, not fact.

Nothing wrong with recognising a gene that somehow proves that maori's are more prone to violence.

But it doesn't prove that.

The European, Aboriginal and African races are separated by thousands of years of evolution. Pretty big gap between us.

They are not separated, and thousands of years is not significant in evolutionary terms.

I don't particularly think Aboriginals have very civilised genes. IQ differences...

What IQ differences? Are you just making this up DT?

Sprint, I'm thinking of putting up a book review on my home page, with some details of the concepts outlined in the book. There is too much detail to go into here, but some of the reasons include the presence of many suitable crops and livestock in a form already suited to agriculture, the presence of large tracts of land in an east-west corridor, geographical fragmentation and a head start in creating and adapting to new diseases. If you want more details, read the book. It is really interesting.

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Europeans have a higher standard of living because of their IQ.

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And we pulled ourselves out of it didnt we. The middle east and asia fell way behind us, and have only caught up late last century because of our help.

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Europe was ruled by Monarchies, Feudalism works only for the royals and aristocrats.
As soon as Britain formed parliamentry government, the peasants got their voice and amongst these peasants was a man called JAMES WATT, who Invented the steam engine thus kicking off the industrial age. France also lost their monarchy with the revolution of 1789 and from here, developed industry, schooling for all classes and common laws which were adopted by the rest of europe.
The reason why the White race advanced is because we removed kings and queens from power and the restrictions on the peasantry.

freediver - don't worry about a huge theoretical abbreviation of someones elses book .
What about YOUR idea ? In simple plain language, about a paragraph long .

gavin, I did not say that, i posed a question. same as before reislamic stuff. I said the koran points to certains actions and it follows by logic that that behaviour is done.

I'ld imagine freedom of speech and action, democratically elected governments, rewards for risk taking is a good pointers for a high standard of living

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15^th, 2007 at 2:47pm:


i directed my query to sprintcyclist, since he gave the impression that countries with higher standards of living were Europeans and that's because of their higher IQ (and countries with lower IQ's were lower down the list).

but good to see that AusNat as cleared up the confusion, so u can still have a high IQ and be poor since other factors besides IQ affect standards of living.

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But the question still stands- why dont blacks have sucessful societies?

Look at Rhodesia.(i refuse to call it zimbabwe) When it was run by whites, it was one of the richest countries in Africa. Now under black rule, its a dump.
Lets not forget south Africa.  Nelson Mandela screwed it.

freediver - don't worry about a huge theoretical abbreviation of someones elses book .
What about YOUR idea ? In simple plain language, about a paragraph long .

What idea of mine are you referring to? I don't recall presenting any ideas on this issue that weren't in the book. If an entire book is to 'abbreviated' what hope do you have with this thread?

So therefore, the list of rich countries can't really be used as proof that Europeans have higher IQ's.

If you want to find out whether Europeans have a higher IQ, test their IQ. It has been done. It was not higher.

They are hte most efficent form of govt.

Since when is efficiency an key ingredient in government? We deliberately introduced redundancy into government to make it better.