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Jun 15^th, 2007 at 5:37pm

An article about an American (of course) arguing that urban sprawl is a good thing and leads to a higher quality of life:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Urban-consolidation-will-hurt-Aussies/2007/06/15/1181414531317.html

Limiting suburban growth around cities is threatening the lifestyle of Australians, an American expert says.

Controversial urban planner and demographer Wendell Cox, who is based in St Louis, Missouri, is urging Australian governments to radically overhaul plans to control future population growth through urban consolidation.

Mr Cox said moves to combat urban sprawl were making housing less affordable and creating heavily congested and polluted areas that offered less desirable lifestyles.

Mr Cox said fears about suburbanisation ruining green space were flawed, considering 99.7 per cent of Australia was not urbanised.

"I'm not suggesting we have a free-for-all ... there are all sorts of places you would want to protect from development," he said.

"But generally you want to allow development to occur in a lot of places and let the market determine where it's going to occur.

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AusNat Ex Member Gender:	Re: urban sprawl Reply #1 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 5:48pm What a bloody moron. THIS IS NOT AMERICA. Australians love their space, they dont want to be crowded in like sardines. I cant believe he said that, look at chicago, New york etc... SLUMS. We are different people to Americans. They have stuck their noses in before- Booz/hamilton. They destroyed the NSW Railways.
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Reply #2 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 6:48pm

Ausnat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2007 at 5:48pm:

What a bloody moron. THIS IS NOT AMERICA. Australians love their space, they dont want to be crowded in like sardines.

I cant believe he said that, look at chicago, New york etc... SLUMS.

We are different people to Americans.

They have stuck their noses in before- Booz/hamilton. They destroyed the NSW Railways.

You might want to re-read FD's post AN. He advocates space ie do not over-restrict urban sprawl. I'm inclined to agree with him. The load needs to be spread.

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Reply #3 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 6:52pm

Ausnat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2007 at 5:48pm:

What a bloody moron. THIS IS NOT AMERICA. Australians love their space, they dont want to be crowded in like sardines.

I cant believe he said that, look at chicago, New york etc... SLUMS.

We are different people to Americans.

They have stuck their noses in before- Booz/hamilton. They destroyed the NSW Railways.

Thats absurd..I agree with you Aussie. Wink

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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: urban sprawl Reply #4 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 7:03pm So you didn't read it either?
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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: urban sprawl Reply #5 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 7:32pm IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 15^th, 2007 at 7:03pm: So you didn't read it either? So i cant have my own opinion, if it doesnt agree with yours ?
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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: urban sprawl Reply #6 - Jun 15^th, 2007 at 7:49pm Ewe can have your own opinion, but your opinion wasn't your own...ewe just agreed with what AN wrote, and he misread the original post. That is baa...baaa...baaad
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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: urban sprawl Reply #7 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 1:07pm take it easy you dont have to criticise everything oceans says. i am a much better target.
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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: urban sprawl Reply #8 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 1:39pm Classic Liberal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2007 at 1:07pm: take it easy you dont have to criticise everything oceans says. i am a much better target. thank you pender
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Reply #9 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 2:11pm

There is nowhere left to spread around our major cities. Already we have cut into our national forests, mountains, eliminated parks and torn up farmland.

Instead of everyone wanting to hover around cities and the coast, we really need to move more industry into the country with good incentives to encourage people and professionals to move there.

Country towns are desperate for more people and productivity.

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Reply #10 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 2:37pm

mantra wrote on Jun 16^th, 2007 at 2:11pm:

There is nowhere left to spread around our major cities. Already we have cut into our national forests, mountains, eliminated parks and torn up farmland.

Instead of everyone wanting to hover around cities and the coast, we really need to move more industry into the country with good incentives to encourage people and professionals to move there.

Country towns are desperate for more people and productivity.

Exactly right Mantra- that is the basis of my point IQ.

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Classic Liberal Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 769 sydney Gender:	Re: urban sprawl Reply #11 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 4:24pm if the governemnt based more of its companies out in the country that would be a start.
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NSW city country divide widening: Stoner
Reply #12 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 4:39pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/NSW-city-country-divide-widening-Stoner/2007/06/16/1181414597039.html

NSW is at risk of becoming a two-tiered society where Sydneysiders relate more to those in London and New York than they do to their country cousins in Dubbo or Ballina, NSW Nationals Leader Andrew Stoner warns.

Mr Stoner said globalisation and the global economy had increased the divide between the city and country in a way that could undermine social cohesion.

His comments came during his address to the Nationals state conference in Singleton, where in a first for the party, time was set aside for an information session and discussion on climate change.

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Reply #13 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 9:43pm

mantra wrote on Jun 16^th, 2007 at 2:11pm:

There is nowhere left to spread around our major cities. Already we have cut into our national forests, mountains, eliminated parks and torn up farmland.

Instead of everyone wanting to hover around cities and the coast, we really need to move more industry into the country with good incentives to encourage people and professionals to move there.

Country towns are desperate for more people and productivity.

We have one of the most sparsely populated countries coupled to an extremely large coastline, there is plenty of room to move...it's just that self interest and environmental groups like to block development by invoking the NIMBY clause and wrap it in a feel good environmental perspective to garner support.

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Reply #14 - Jun 16^th, 2007 at 9:49pm

When it comes to town planning, I really don't care that there is miles and miles barely inhabited desert in the inland. I want green space in the cities. I want cities that are planned properly around public transport and other infrastructure. The best example of Cox's town planning philosophy is Los Angeles. Trust me, you don't want our cities ending up like that.

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