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Reply #30 - Jun 24^th, 2007 at 4:23pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2007 at 2:49pm:

When I first got exposed to a lot of foreign cultures I sometimes mistook the behaviour of the men for gay advances. The more I become aware of it, the more I think that the Australian cultural values attached to 'blokiness' are a liability. For starters, there's the suicide rate in rural areas.

I think we can blame that on being bored.

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Reply #33 - Jun 24^th, 2007 at 10:23pm

yes, about 40 aussie men a day suicide. Each day, every day.
If we were whales there would be an outcry.

High danger time is following a relationship breakdown.
Imminent danger sign is a lack of sleep.

Prob comes from some men not listening to other men discuss their emotions.
Guys interrupt, joke at it, minimise what is being said, change the topic, or problem solve.
Then later on, there is noone to listen to their emotions.
Talking to a woman is not the same.
men are different. We do know, we do feel

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Reply #34 - Jun 24^th, 2007 at 10:55pm

Some men do. Some don't.

Some are brave enough to have real friendships with other men.
Some aren't and hide behind a bravado.

The first group of guys have someone to listen when they get in trouble. A port in a storm.
They are less likely to suicide

the second group don't. Through their repeated "off the cuff" remarks, they have no genuine close friends to listen to them. There is noone they can turn to in a time of need.
They are more likely to suicide.

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Reply #35 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 7:22am

So true Sprintcyclist. So many men don't know how to talk about how they are feeling and express their innermost thoughts whereas women usually get it out into the open which is a lot healthier.

It's the same with physical problems - there are as many men with prostrate cancer as women with breast cancer - but a far smaller proportion seek help.

What is the answer?

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Reply #36 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 8:26am

We are improving mantra.
The stereotype in the media for the past 50 years has not been good.

Mens health gets a fraction of the funding womens health does.
The is little sympathy or compassion for men.
generally us men have fewer health problems, till later on. We are not in the habit of seeing a doctor.

A part of the answer may be for men to broaden and deepen their male/male friendships.
talking things over with women just does not work.
Course, when a relationship breakdown happens, there goes your confidant too.

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Reply #37 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 8:43am

I've always thought men were far deeper and more emotional than women and take relationships more seriously and have wondered whether this is what leads so many men to become gay.

It's probably irrelevant because men now are allowed to be openly gay whereas in the 60's I think it was still a criminal offence.

But I look at the number of beautiful young males who turn to same sex partners and think maybe it's a more emotional attraction than a physical one.

Could men who are openly homophobic react that way because the feelings of intimacy coming from a gay man threaten their image of the tough man and if they allowed a friendship they could succumb?

Just curious!

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Reply #38 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 11:44am

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I've always thought men were far deeper and more emotional than women and take relationships more seriously and have wondered whether this is what leads so many men to become gay.

Hell no!

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It's probably irrelevant because men now are allowed to be openly gay whereas in the 60's I think it was still a criminal offence.

Still should be.

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But I look at the number of beautiful young males who turn to same sex partners and think maybe it's a more emotional attraction than a physical one.

Thanks to todays metrosexual culture. it can only destroy us.

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Could men who are openly homophobic react that way because the feelings of intimacy coming from a gay man threaten their image of the tough man and if they allowed a friendship they could succumb?

No. its a disease, and most men only want to be around with fit healthy men of normal mental condition.

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Reply #39 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 1:33pm

good thoughts mantra, again.

i think men often tend to have all their eggs in the one emotional basket. ie their wife.
Which is unhealthy. That's one of the benefits of male/male friendships.

gay men are often pretty much sex addicts too. They like the easy sex often.
They very often have not had a good relationship with their fathers.

"Could men who are openly homophobic react that way because the feelings of intimacy coming from a gay man threaten their image of the tough man and if they allowed a friendship they could succumb? "
Particularity good thought.
As a real guy, I don't encourage friendships with gays. Not interested in them as a friend even.
Prob would be like having another lady friend ? men friends are rarer.
Often get mistaken for a gay, as I don't swear, lisp etc etc.
Those with outwardly aggresive antihomo attitudes may be unconfidant of their own sexuality.
Not Ausnat though, he is aggressive that way with everyone Wink

. He is just a love - heheheheh

A close male/male friendship is entirely different to gay lovers.
Perhaps gays substitute gay sex for a genuine deep male friendship ?
They are scared of it and "be" gay instead ?

As a guy, the thought of hitting the sack with another sweaty hairy smelly man is not my thing.
A smooth skinned soft sweet smelling lady with breasts ............... mmmmmm

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