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Re: Terrorism - Saudi Arabia
Reply #105 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 1:17pm
 
Saudi Arabia and the US share common interests. They are both getting fat from the oil trade. That's all it is.Suggesting that the Saudi Arabian government knew about 9/11 is just as absurd as suggesting that the British or spanish government knew about their terrorist attacks.
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Re: Terrorism - Saudi Arabia
Reply #106 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 1:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 7th, 2007 at 1:17pm:
Saudi Arabia and the US share common interests. They are both getting fat from the oil trade. That's all it is.Suggesting that the Saudi Arabian government knew about 9/11 is just as absurd as suggesting that the British or spanish government knew about their terrorist attacks.


freediver, u have to admit, it does look suspious.

the US & Saudi Arabia are friends/allies, who both have interests in oil.
most of the Sept 11 bombers were from Saudi Arabia, but then we decide to invade Iraq instead (which is another oil rich country).

and it's not just the US being friends with Saudi government, but also rich Saudi families, including the bin Laden's (Osama's family).
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Re: Terrorism - Saudi Arabia
Reply #107 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 1:25pm
 
Of course they are friends. They all managed to look past their differences and get rich together from the oil business. The Saudi government did not support the terrorist attacks. The taliban did. 9/11 was not the reason for the invasion of Iraq.

It's a long stretch from looking suspicious to terrorism.
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Reply #108 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 1:40pm
 
Here is a thought, whats going to happen when they run out of oil?
Or indeed when oil is finally banned??

Will we still be friends??? Cry
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Re: Terrorism - Saudi Arabia
Reply #109 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 5:39pm
 
We would probably be on much friendlier terms because we would stop interfering in the region. Of course, GWB would have no reason to talk to those Saudis.
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One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fighter
Reply #110 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 1:04pm
 
How often have we heard that cliche?  More importantly, how often have we heard it decried by the supporters of "The War On Terror(ism)"(tm)?   Yet, today we can see the hypocrisy of the Bush Administration's claims about terrorists and terrorism exposed for all to see:

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Anti-Castro exile freed

Anti-Castro Cuban exile Luis Posada Carriles, wanted in Cuba and Venezuela for the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner and awaiting US trial on immigration charges, has been released on bail.

Posada Carriles posted bail totalling $US350,000 to get out of jail in New Mexico.

He has been in detention since May 2005 after entering the United States illegally to seek asylum.

"He has been released on bond and he is on his way to Miami to report to pre-trial services," US Marshal spokesman Gary Brown said in San Antonio, Texas.

The 79-year-old Posada Carriles, a former CIA operative accused in various plots against Cuban leader Fidel Castro, has been ordered to live with his wife under house arrest in her Miami home until his trial.

He is scheduled to be tried starting May 11 in El Paso on seven immigration fraud charges accusing him of lying to immigration authorities.

His lawyers said recently they expected that once Posada Carriles was freed on bail, which was granted by US Judge Kathleen Cardone in El Paso, Texas, he would immediately be detained again on an immigration-detention order.

But Mr Brown said "that has not happened yet".

"We expect him to appear in court on May 11 for his criminal proceeding as ordered by the court," US Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said in Washington

A spokeswoman for the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement in El Paso said she was waiting for a statement from Washington to comment.

Posada Carriles is wanted for trial in Cuba and Venezuela for trial on charges he masterminded a Cuban airliner bombing that killed 73 people.

The two leftist countries have demanded his extradition, but the US has refused, which has prompted charges that the Bush administration is ignoring its own "war on terror".

An ailing Mr Castro, who has not appeared in public since emergency surgery eight months ago, accused the US Government last week of harbouring his nemesis.

"Not a single word has been said about his countless victims, his bomb attacks on tourist facilities in recent years or dozens of his plots financed by the US Government to eliminate me physically," Mr Castro wrote.

Posada Carriles was jailed in Panama for a plot to assassinate Mr Castro during an Ibero-American summit in 2000, but was pardoned by outgoing president Mireya Moscoso in 2004.

Cuba also accuses him of plotting a wave of bomb blasts in Havana hotels in 1997 that killed an Italian tourist.

- Reuters



Why is this man not detained in Guantanamo Bay?  Why is he not on trial as an "unlawful combatant"?  Why is he not charged with warcrimes?
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Reply #111 - Apr 21st, 2007 at 10:44pm
 
Hi Brian,
How are you ?

Perhaps he is not in guanantamo because he did no crimes against the usa ?

that reasoniong also covers qn 2,

q 3 - warcrimes - he was not at war ? war was not declared.

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Re: One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fight
Reply #112 - Apr 21st, 2007 at 11:36pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 21st, 2007 at 10:44pm:
Hi Brian,
How are you ?


Pretty good.

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Perhaps he is not in guanantamo because he did no crimes against the usa ?


Appears to me many of those detained in the Gitmo Hilton have committed no crimes against the USA as well.

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that reasoniong also covers qn 2,

q 3 - warcrimes - he was not at war ? war was not declared.

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He is though, a known Terrorist and is wanted for extradiction back to the nations which have suffered his Terrorism.  Therefore it is the greatest hypocrisy for the US to claim they are serious about fighting Terrorism and not deliver him up for justice.
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Reply #113 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 12:20am
 
Hi Brian,

Those in guantanimo are on the side against usa ??

yes, by your account he is a terrorist. Not a terrorist againt usa.


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Reply #114 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 11:35am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22nd, 2007 at 12:20am:
Hi Brian,

Those in guantanimo are on the side against usa ??

yes, by your account he is a terrorist. Not a terrorist againt usa.





Which suggests some hypcrisy on their part, don't you think?
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Re: One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fight
Reply #115 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 12:02pm
 
Hi Brian,

I don't think USA should or could apprehend terrorists who wage terrorist events against any country.
They should only be concerned about their own countries security and possibly those who they have close relations with.

If other countries hate usa, then want protection by usa when they tghemselves become targets.
Well, they don't really have a good cause to put forward, do they ? 



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Re: One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fight
Reply #116 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 12:17pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22nd, 2007 at 12:02pm:
Hi Brian,

I don't think USA should or could apprehend terrorists who wage terrorist events against any country.
They should only be concerned about their own countries security and possibly those who they have close relations with.

If other countries hate usa, then want protection by usa when they tghemselves become targets.
Well, they don't really have a good cause to put forward, do they ? 


The US President has made it clear that his government will not support or deal with Terrorists.  His Government has kidnapped suspected Terrorists from third party nations, extradicted them and imprisoned them without trial.  Yet here we have the US Government actively protecting Terrorists.   You appear unable to detect the contradictions in these two positions, why?
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Re: One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fight
Reply #117 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 8:15pm
 
This came up on the multiculturalism board with DT:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 8:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 7:46pm:
The Iraqis who are killing Americans are not fighting for what they see as a different version of freedom. Your 'different version of freedom' spiel sounds like some of the extreme 'left wing' stuff about how extremists should be free to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them. At least, it's usually associated with left wing ideologues. It's not what I normally expect from you.


Alright... whatever... you just proved my point. It may be left-wing ideology but it's correct.

*End of 'what defines freedom' discussion*


The way I see it, most of the extremists in the middle east want to take away people's freedom of religion and other personal freedoms. I don't believe that they would see themselves as freedom fighters. Obviously, once you mix in the political stuff they can say they are fighting for freedom from US interference and the politics is a major factor in how they act out their plans, but if you strip the issue down to the core values, they would openly admit to opposing personal freedom, even in a general sense.
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Re: One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fight
Reply #118 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 8:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 8:15pm:
This came up on the multiculturalism board with DT:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 8:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 7:46pm:
The Iraqis who are killing Americans are not fighting for what they see as a different version of freedom. Your 'different version of freedom' spiel sounds like some of the extreme 'left wing' stuff about how extremists should be free to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them. At least, it's usually associated with left wing ideologues. It's not what I normally expect from you.


Alright... whatever... you just proved my point. It may be left-wing ideology but it's correct.

*End of 'what defines freedom' discussion*


The way I see it, most of the extremists in the middle east want to take away people's freedom of religion and other personal freedoms. I don't believe that they would see themselves as freedom fighters. Obviously, once you mix in the political stuff they can say they are fighting for freedom from US interference and the politics is a major factor in how they act out their plans, but if you strip the issue down to the core values, they would openly admit to opposing personal freedom, even in a general sense.


That's what you believe, freediver. THEY believe they're preserving their FREEDOM to be Islamic and discriminate. This is a freedom Americans will take away from them.


FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM.


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Re: One man's Terrorist is another's Freedom Fight
Reply #119 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 10:21am
 
THEY believe they're preserving their FREEDOM to be Islamic and discriminate.

How do you know that's what they believe?
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