also, since u mentioned separtist attacks in France, i just wanted to ask whether you heard of ETA?

if not, ETA is a terrorist organisation that has launched several attacks in France and Spain, and they aren't muslim either. they aim is to set up an independent state in the Basque region. here's a good summary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA

that would be an example of separtist terrorists listed in France & Spain.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 2:55pm:


actually no, based on that report there was no attacks by muslims in France, only 1 in Germany.
there were 283 attacks by separatists in France.

the figures ur referring to are people who were suspected of terrorism, that doesn't mean an attack occurred or that they were actually charged with anything (just suspected).

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no, separatists want their own country, hence they are called "separatists". attacks by separtists are not in response to Islamic attacks, and even if that were true, what Islamic attacks happened in France?

none, based on the EU report.

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all countries in the EU had terrorist attacks of some sort in 2006, there was not a single country that had no attacks and only Germany was hit by an Islamic one.

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look at the link i gave above about ETA.

You are right skeptic, I misread the title of the table.  it was for suspects arrested.
Which means there are a lot is islam terrorists.


seperatists want their own country cause theirs is being taken over by islam .
Same as the mass marches elsewhere in europe

yes, my reasonable assumption was based on my misreading the table.
I still stand by my assumption.
Not interested in looking up ETA, start a thread if you wish. They are not a threat to me.



freediver - islam has always been violent. ever sinvce it begun. aboout 1500 years ago.
It is getting more violent. unlike seperatist movements.
hilali had studied it for decades, he was their elected spokesman for all of aussie.
Same as the pope, he has a pretty good idea.
he go the flick cause he was saying the truth out aloud.

those dealing with terrorists are trying to placate everyone.
How do you know what they really think ? 
Why don't the "moderates" just chat with the "extremists" and show them where they have misinterpreeted it ?
Would the hamas not have discovered their error in the past 30 years ??

seperatists want their own country cause theirs is being taken over by islam

No. Not everything is about Islam sprint, even if you try to make it so. Islamic terrorists want their own country because the west is interfering in the middle east. The separatists mentioned in the report would be non-muslim groups in Europe rebelling against the expansionist Christian empires.

freediver - islam has always been violent.

Not to any greater extent than other religions.

It is getting more violent.

Hence it is not soemthing inherent to the religion - as is usually the case there are other factors.

hilali had studied it for decades, he was their elected spokesman for all of aussie.

Until he started sprouting crap.

those dealing with terrorists are trying to placate everyone. 

The people who you quoted above who disagree with you are the ones locking them up. And besides, it's a far better idea than winding people up for no good reason.

How do you know what they really think ?

How do you? There is more than enough in human nature to make people violent. There is no need to recourse to religion and to do so usually oversimplifies the problem in way that make it worse.

Why don't the "moderates" just chat with the "extremists" and show them where they have misinterpreeted it ?
Would the hamas not have discovered their error in the past 30 years ??

Talk about oversimplification.... You think differences in interpretations and people using religion to back political goals is something that can just be ended over a cup of tea? FYI, Muslims have been trying to 'chat' with the west about the US getting out of the middle east for a long time. Do you think the US listened? You yourself sprout all this nonsense about your interpretation of Islam. How many Muslims have you spoken to about it?

Skeptic - so I have been incorrect in saying every terrorist is a muslim. Sorry
Is it correct to say every murdering terrorist is a muslim ?
And every religious terrorist is a muslim ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2007 at 9:00am:


first of all, u distinguish between terrorist & murdering terrorist, which is weird because terrorists usually kill and separtist groups such as ETA have killed alot of people. if u referred to the link i posted about ETA above u would notice that they have been responsible for the deaths of over 900 people. so no, not every murdering terrorist is muslim.

also, whether u want to deny it or not, there are fanatical, murderous groups in all religions. some examples include such christian terrorists like the Army of God in the US who are responsible for the bombing of several abortion clinics and the National Liberation Front of Tripura who are a christian fundamentalist group in India that want an independent christian state.

so no, not every religious terrorist is muslim either.

Hi skeptic,
given that islams idea of terrorism is to murder as many as possible and the seperatists idea is not that way, I would say islam terrorism presents a bigger threat by far.
That fact was in the report.


ETA has killed 900 over the 50 years ? islam must do that in 50 days

the right wing antiabortionists were reported to the authorities by christians.  Unlike the islam terrorists.  What was their misguided goal ?

yes, I am aware there is one area in india where hindus and christians occassionally murder each other.
Is that all you can come up with "against" christians ?
Makes us look pretty darned good, doesn;t it ?? thanks   
Want to do a list of the islam terrorists over the globe ??

Numerically essentially every religious terrorst is a muslim
Is that a correct statement

Essentially being to the point there is only one other group in India, where hindus and christians occassionally murder each other, the anti abortionists now being ,locked up ?

I feel quite justified in saying every religious terrorist is a muslim

It is not strictly so, but there is only one exception.
Numerically much less than 1% of the terrorist attacks and limited in location