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Re: Social Inequality Breeds Killers and Terrorist
Reply #75 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 1:40pm
 
I agree Freediver-it seemed more this guy rebelling aagainst the inequities in the class structures that obviously  excluded him.

which gets back to my opening post.

The Social inequality question.
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Re: Social Inequality Breeds Killers and Terrorist
Reply #76 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 1:59pm
 
I guess you could say he is a terrorist for OB's political movement or agenda. He killed people to prove that those who cannot afford ipods and cars are not responsible for their actions.
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Reply #77 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 2:57pm
 
Wonder if it would have been possible for a few people to rush him and overpower him ?

had they been army trained, sure.
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Reply #78 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 3:11pm
 
I wouldn't be volunteering. You'd have a better chance throwing something heavy at him, Dundee style.
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Reply #79 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 3:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2007 at 1:59pm:
I guess you could say he is a terrorist for OB's political movement or agenda. He killed people to prove that those who cannot afford ipods and cars are not responsible for their actions.



that was unneccessary freediver and you obviously think the topic is not worthy of serious discussion?
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Reply #80 - Apr 21st, 2007 at 10:05pm
 
As regards a few people rushing and overpowering him. They are in a no lose situation.
Throwing something is a good idea.
Same as those people in the plane that was hijacked and headed for the pentagon (i think).

Better to go down swinging.

oceans.b, I see nothing wrong with freedives comments.

As he had no "agenda", ie was not trying to force others to do or not do something , his actions were not those of a terrorist.

Just a nutter.
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Reply #81 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 1:14pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2007 at 2:57pm:
Wonder if it would have been possible for a few people to rush him and overpower him ?

had they been army trained, sure.



His mood was ugly- he was packing 'lead' and he was intent on taking out as many as he could before he was caught and killed himself--so i doubt anyone would have had the b alls to do it and live.
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Reply #82 - Apr 22nd, 2007 at 11:19pm
 
So, you going to lie under the wooden table and wait for him to pop a cap in you ?
Or shall we join forces and rush him ?
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Re: Social Inequality Breeds Killers and Terrorist
Reply #83 - Apr 23rd, 2007 at 9:35am
 
There were a few who survived by playing dead. I would be hoping for the negotiaters to step in or the police to kill him. Sure if he turned his back or something stupid you would jump him, especially if you were certain he was going to kill everyone, but he could kill a lot of people running directly at him.
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Reply #84 - Apr 23rd, 2007 at 4:45pm
 
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i want to know why this killing spree over in Virginia hasn't been labelled a terrorist attack?
is it because the guy wasn't muslim?

i often wonder if the guy was muslim, then how would the media portray the incident? i have no doubt it would be portrayed as a terrorist action.


JJJ tell me how you can compare this with a terrorist attack when it was one individual doing it for thrills not a cause?

The definition of a terrorist attack is;

"a surprise attack involving the deliberate use of violence against civilians in the hope of attaining political or religious aims"

Based on what you are saying should have given reason for the US to invade North Korea as he was korean. Why do people like yourself constantly run around looking for excuses to call rascism, biaism or pregudice? It is people like you that is the real reason why assimilation is struggling in society.
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Reply #85 - Apr 23rd, 2007 at 6:06pm
 
enviro wrote on Apr 23rd, 2007 at 4:45pm:
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i want to know why this killing spree over in Virginia hasn't been labelled a terrorist attack?
is it because the guy wasn't muslim?

i often wonder if the guy was muslim, then how would the media portray the incident? i have no doubt it would be portrayed as a terrorist action.


JJJ tell me how you can compare this with a terrorist attack when it was one individual doing it for thrills not a cause?

The definition of a terrorist attack is;

"a surprise attack involving the deliberate use of violence against civilians in the hope of attaining political or religious aims"

Based on what you are saying should have given reason for the US to invade North Korea as he was korean. Why do people like yourself constantly run around looking for excuses to call rascism, biaism or pregudice? It is people like you that is the real reason why assimilation is struggling in society.



No I never thought it could be classed as a 'terrorist attack'.
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The Australian attacks justice Kirby
Reply #86 - Aug 3rd, 2007 at 4:46pm
 
The Australian has thrown objective journalism out the window and launched an extraordinarily personal and vitriolic front page attack against justice Michael Kirby. They accuse him of being somehow backwards for being less eager than his colleagues to overturn our constitutional rights in response to the 'new threat.' The only thing they left out is how this new threat has materialised on our shores. Could that be because it hasn't? Is Rupert Murdoch trying to achieve what a bunch or turban clad lunatics from the caves of Afghanistan couldn't - the destruction of our constitutional rights and freedoms? Is it really time to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside? Lets hope our judges don't throw away the traditions that have protected us so well as eagerly as News Corp has.

Times change, but Kirby doesn't

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22180819-5013404,00.html

Some quotes:

FOR an exceedingly bright fellow, Michael Kirby does a great impression of someone who has closed his eyes to the changed world in which we live.

Instead of confronting the new reality, Kirby and his supporters have retreated into the comforting world of the familiar. To simply parrot the mantra that terror is nothing new and should be treated by the law just like any other offence is a complete intellectual failure.

When John Maynard Keynes was criticised for departing from views he had previously espoused, he responded by saying that when the facts change, he changed his mind. Justice Kirby, what do you do, sir?
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Terrorism - Saudi Arabia
Reply #87 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 1:12pm
 
hi there, since 15 of the 19 hijackers on Sept 11, 2001 were from Saudi Arabia, is there any reason why Saudi Arabia is not part of the Axis of Evil? is there any plans to invade Saudi Arabia in the War on Terror?

i would think that would be more relevant than invading Iraq, which had no connection to the Sept 11 attacks at all.
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Re: Terrorism - Saudi Arabia
Reply #88 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 1:17pm
 
George Bush is friends with a lot of Saudi Arabians.
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Reply #89 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 1:19pm
 
is that the problem? given that George W Bush is friends with the very group of people that attacked us.
to me, it seems that we are wasting our time & resources over in Iraq, whereas the real terrorists (i.e. not Saddam Hussien) are living the high life.
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