DT, there seems to be an assumption behind your attacks on multiculturalism that monoculturalism is better. However, just pointing out problems in multicultural societies does not show this, as monocultural societies tend to have the same problems. Where they don't have the same problems, the cure is worse than the disease.

The only thing monoculturalism really gives you is simplicity, and it does this by taking away options and experiences.

Furthermore, the larger the land mass, the more 'natural' multiculturalism is as the state of human affairs. Where people live in isolated communities (eg small islands) much of human culture is lost. While the culture that emerges may be unique from a global perspective, the people living there are not exposed to anything else (or at least, they weren't until fairly recently in history). On the other hand, the large contiguous land mass of Eruope, Asia and North Africa tended to have at least a few different cultures living nearby each other, or in the same town when towns developed. Trying to achieve the sort of stifling monoculturalism that you get in an isolated backwater on a large, vibrant community is a questionable goal at best. Furthermore, while multiculturalism can lead to social friction, attempts to get rid of multiculturalism are always far worse for a society. The closer you get to achieving this goal, the closer you get to pure evil.

It perfected its tea ceremonies during this period

Tea ceremonies, flower arrangement and folding paper? I'm sure that was an interesting time for the locals lol.

Nazi Germany got rid of multiculturalism and it thrived.  

No it didn't, it destroyed itself with it's own craziness and evil, and when the people emerged from it they were ashamed of what they had allowed happen (except for the few remaining lunatics of course). In fact, many people attribute Germany's loss to Hitler's psychotic focus on creating a monocultural state.

I think you're being a tad dramatic.

You're the one using Nazism as a 'good' example of monoculturalism.

Moron. You're answer/insult clearly shows you have no comeback and are ignorant of history, the arts and culture.

Most of what the west has produced in the last few centuries came out of multicultural societies. It's just harder to make the connection because the creativity is not assigned to a specific culture, like it is when all artists in an entire country like Japan produce pretty much the same thing (creatively of course).

Nationalism allowed Germany to become a global superpower

Wrong. Some of the econpomic policies did this. The social policies ended up crippling the country and bringing everlasting shame upon it.

and everyone in the nation were happy and unified under one culture

LOL. Everyone was happy? Only the ignorant were happy, and ignorance can't last forever.

Here's a key point: MONOCULTURALISM DOES NOT ALWAYS LEAD TO WAR OR GENOCIDE. 

True, it's the result of it, not the cause.

Take away the whole 'Joo killing' and war and it was an extremely successful society. This is my point. 

But you cannot view historical events in such isolation. The economic policies were not about monoculturalism. The holocaust was. You seem to be attributing the economic success to social policies, when in fact the social policies are what undermined the economic policies.

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Oh I see. So England, France, Spain and Italy were multicultural in the 19th century were they?   

And everything created in this period was due to the 'richness' of multiculturalism, right?   

I DARE YOU to name one thing that was created in this period that directly resulted from multiculturalism. Oh.... that's right... you can't .... because of your lame-@ss excuse...

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Do you know what's really pathetic about this, freediver? The fact that you're droning on about how many things have directly resulted from multiculturalism yet you can't name ONE THING. ONE THING!

-I don't care about your excuse. You're excuse means nothing. What your excuse means is that your basing your assumption on NOTHING. And that you haven't researched this topic at all.


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Spoking like a grade 12 history teacher. 

Economic policies can only go so far without an organised community and people happily willing to do it. This is what its social policies provided.


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Pffft. Some of the most smartest people in Germany at the time were self-proclaimed nazis. Were these people ignorant too? 


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So ALL monocultural societies result in war and genocide, freediver?    I hardly believe this.


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I think I see where you're coming from now.. what you're saying is that the Nazis success was attribauted to only economic policies and had nothing to do with its social policies. Is that it?
Fair enough.

Did it have a negative affect on society? Before the war and joo killing, I think it resulted in many, many happy people. They worked in unity, they held get togethers and it helped families. What's wrong with that?


I think I made a mistake using Nazi Germany as an example... because their name has been forever tarnished by post-war propaganda and you'll forever argue against it becasue of all the bias docos you've seen. Why don't we talk about my China example, freediver? Or don't you know anything about that?

the majority of germans were happy with nazism pre war. Hitler did not need to use fear tactics until wartime.

although in 1932 hitler only recieved 33% of the vote, he managed over 40% in the previous election but could not form governement. Germany had so many parties that 33% is actually an excellent result, i they were the largest party from memory.

you also have to remember that for hitler to pass his "enabling act" which efffectivly made him a dictator he had to have 2/3 of the reichstag (parliament) on his side.

sounds like support to me.


The majority of Historians would say that China fell because they refused to communicate with any other culture, the building of the wall highlights this as opposed to merely only promotng a singular chinese culture.

There is a difference between monoculturalism and completly cutting off all contact with other cultures. Roman society is the best example of a monoculture continuesly communicating and steeling ideas from others, promoting further advance in technology. While throughout their history Rome kept alive the specific roman culture which barely changed over 1000 years. Their monoculture was so strong that they every nation they conquered excluding germany and Israel became romanised.

I do not know how anyone can argue against the superiority of the Roman monoculture.

that wasnt scare tactics, that was political masterminding.

people didnt vote for him because of fear...

i see what your saying freediver but you are forgetting hitler was already in power before the reichstag fire.

looking at it that way if you see a climate of fear as scare tactics then you are correct.

I thought you meant his own populace was in fear of him and the nazis personally, when in fact the nazis were the ones the poeple trusted to save them from the world they were in fear of.

you are forgetting hitler was already in power before the reichstag fire

He did not have sufficient powere to enact his final solution. And as I said, the scare campaign started long before the election.

looking at it that way if you see a climate of fear as scare tactics then you are correct

A manufactured climate of fear.

I thought you meant his own populace was in fear of him and the nazis personally

Both. By the end it was mostly the latter - people knew if you stood up to him you died. But by then the external threat (foreign troops) were real anyway.

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Talk about something practical for once for gods sake.

DT you are the one banging on about the problems with multiculturalism as if you could just click your fingers and make it go away.

There was no such thing as multiculturalism in Europe in the 19th century.

Yes there was. They just didn't have a word for it. 'Live and let live' would come close. Of course they would get all monocultural every now and then and start killing each other, but they usually came to their sense pretty quickly.

You implied it.

I did not imply it was as simple as you are trying to make out.

But I'm not doing that.

Bvll. 

Look at your above quote. You haven't proved your baseless statement at all. 

I don't see how this is a response to the bit you quoted.

It's because you're so bigoted on the subject... not becasue I can't debate it.

DT I was agreeing with you. If Nazism was a good example of monoculturalism at work then it would work in a debate because it would be a very strong point, once you had made it.

How does Jared Diamond... whom I never read... explain China's fall in technology on loss of diversity?

Innovation comes about through competition.

burn down the parliament? Has it ever been proven?

The Reichstag fire DT.