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Re: monoculturalism vs multiculturalism
Reply #15 - Jul 19th, 2007 at 1:04am
 
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DT you are the one banging on about the problems with multiculturalism as if you could just click your fingers and make it go away.


It's a slow process Freediver. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I was expecting miracles. There are small, but practical steps that can be taken.


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Yes there was. They just didn't have a word for it. 'Live and let live' would come close. Of course they would get all monocultural every now and then and start killing each other, but they usually came to their sense pretty quickly.


Okay... if there are a number of cultures in the same area, that's 'multiculturalism.' Can you please specify when and where two or more cultures were living together in Europe during the 19th century? Thanks.


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You implied it.  

I did not imply it was as simple as you are trying to make out.


What the? What are you talking about? And how am I inaccurate with assuming that you were implying it with a quote like... "Most of what the west has produced in the last few centuries came out of multicultural societies."

That's an extremely straight forward statement.

You said it. Not me.


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It's because you're so bigoted on the subject... not becasue I can't debate it.

DT I was agreeing with you. If Nazism was a good example of monoculturalism at work then it would work in a debate because it would be a very strong point, once you had made it.


You threw in the words... 'evil,' 'fear,' 'craziness,' 'psychotic' and 'lunatics' to describe Nazi Germany, Freediver. You're bigoted. End of story. You're not worth arguing with on the subject. Let's switch to a case study where you'll judge facts instead of what SOCIETY telling you what to think.


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How does Jared Diamond... whom I never read... explain China's fall in technology on loss of diversity?

Innovation comes about through competition.


OMFG. So you're basing it all off 5 words?


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burn down the parliament? Has it ever been proven?

The Reichstag fire DT.


If my history knowledge serves me correctly, Freediver, it's never been proven that the Nazis lit that fire. In fact, wasn't a communist charged with that fire?
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Re: monoculturalism vs multiculturalism
Reply #16 - Jul 19th, 2007 at 9:56am
 
There are small, but practical steps that can be taken.

Such as?

Can you please specify when and where two or more cultures were living together in Europe during the 19th century?

There were jews living all over Europe, and Gypsies. Probably a few other cultures too. You could also say the protestants and catholics were different cultures. They used to attack each other occasionally.

That's an extremely straight forward statement. 

Yes it is, but your interpretation was incorrect.

You threw in the words... 'evil,' 'fear,' 'craziness,' 'psychotic' and 'lunatics' to describe Nazi Germany, Freediver.

That's because the Nazis were evil, psychotic, crazy lunatics.

OMFG. So you're basing it all off 5 words?

No. That was a summary for you. If you want to read the book, I'd highly recommend it. It's called 'Guns, Germs and Steel'.

In fact, wasn't a communist charged with that fire?

So what? Do you think Hitler would hold up his hands and say 'I did it, now appoint me dictator please'?
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Reply #17 - Jul 19th, 2007 at 8:01pm
 
i would agree with dt in saying that euro was largly monocultural. Aside from the jews and gypsies (who were both outcasts) most nations had only one culture, race and culture are different things. The exception is Austria-hungary, which may i ad fell apart due to cultural tensions.
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Reply #18 - Jul 20th, 2007 at 3:22pm
 
Classic Liberal wrote on Jul 19th, 2007 at 8:01pm:
The exception is Austria-hungary, which may i ad fell apart due to cultural tensions.


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Reply #19 - Jul 20th, 2007 at 7:14pm
 
list of multicultural empiresempires which accepted or promoted more than one language and culture

1. Austria-hungary
2. mongolian empire
3. Holy Roman empire

list of monocultural empires empires which promote or accept only one culture and language.
1. Rome
2. Britain
3. China
4. Babylon
5. Ottoman

the list for successful monocultural empires could be extended much further. the trend seems to be with multicultural empires isone of instability under pressure, while monocultural empires seems much more unified.
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Reply #20 - Jul 20th, 2007 at 7:27pm
 
How can you say Britain is a monocultural empire?
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Reply #21 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 1:50pm
 
because in every nation it colonized only one culture was promoted. Every other culture was quashed under the british philosophy. English was the language taught in every school in the british empire. Every nation celebrated Empire day. The religion promoted and often the only religious practice accepted was anglicanism. Most significantly though was the idea the british had of making the world british. When they colonised like many other colonial counterparts the english went about making the inhabitants british, changing the way they dressed, what they ate, etc.

In a multiculteral empire the british would have let the nations they conquered continue their old practices, which they clearly did not do.
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Reply #22 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 5:17pm
 
Britain was so much more successful than the other European powers in creating and holding their empire together precisely because they did not try to run roughshod over the locals to the same extent. Furthermore, even if they did have policies that seemed hostile to multiculturalism, that does not in any way mean they did not have a multicultural empire.
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Reply #23 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 7:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 26th, 2007 at 5:17pm:
Britain was so much more successful than the other European powers in creating and holding their empire together precisely because they did not try to run roughshod over the locals to the same extent. Furthermore, even if they did have policies that seemed hostile to multiculturalism, that does not in any way mean they did not have a multicultural empire.



i dont really know how you can be called multicultural if your policies are against multiculuralism... Australia only became a multicultural nation in 1974 when our policies changed, thats not to say that there was not people of different cultural background already living here.

besides which i owuld say that britain was successful due to its maritime power, which was not matched by anyone, not even france.
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Reply #24 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:27am
 
All empires will have policies that support or oppress multiculturalism to varying degrees. To say that it is somehow binary is absurd.

Britain won a war or two because of it's maritime power, but that is not the same thing as building and maintaining an empire. The maritime power came about through successful empire building.
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Re: monoculturalism vs multiculturalism
Reply #25 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:55pm
 
an empire they held together through red coats Smiley

i agree though it is not binary, however i believe their goal was a monoculture, and the did succeed to a great extent in achieving it.
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Reply #26 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 
Thier goal was trade and making money.
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Reply #27 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 5:53pm
 
one of their goals was money, but the governement was more concerned with the greatness of the empire, and thus the greatness of englishism.
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Reply #28 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 5:57pm
 
No, that's just a little self indulgent vanity they could afford once they were at the top.
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Reply #29 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 6:03pm
 
so you agree then they were interested in britainising the world Smiley
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