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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #105 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 8:24pm

deepthought wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 6:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 5:53pm:

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I am not proud they have collapsed like blancmanges -

Well, what are you going to do. These buggers just made a complete fool out of you. Maybe give the Greens a look.................oh, hang on, they support the Labor Party too.

It seems you are now ancient and irrelevant history, just like Keating. You and him make a great pair. Side-lined.

Now we have your opinion of me out of the way, what do you think of Jules's revelation that workers may be worse off under the return to industrial age IR than they currently are under Johnny's visionary WorkChoices?

About as much as the Lieberals do...........it must be quite okay because they are going to vote for it.

Knuck knuck knuck.

These are going to be glory years with the Liebs, and their former mate DT having to eat the humble pie that a devastating loss at the polls brings. It's called a 'mandate to govern in accordance with announced policies.' Labor announced it, ran hard on it, and won pants down. Now, it is time for political chickens coming home to roost.

Eat it up, DT, I just love the prospect that I can shove that fact in your face all the time, as you used the same, when your soul mate in outer space had the reins. You and hayseed....well no, he seems to have accepted that Australia said, 'bugger off," so it's just you who has a problem with numbers. For example, 9 is far less than 70.

Ho ho ho, and a bottle of rum!

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #106 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 8:27pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 8:24pm:

deepthought wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 6:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 5:53pm:

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I am not proud they have collapsed like blancmanges -

Well, what are you going to do. These buggers just made a complete fool out of you. Maybe give the Greens a look.................oh, hang on, they support the Labor Party too.

It seems you are now ancient and irrelevant history, just like Keating. You and him make a great pair. Side-lined.

Now we have your opinion of me out of the way, what do you think of Jules's revelation that workers may be worse off under the return to industrial age IR than they currently are under Johnny's visionary WorkChoices?

About as much as the Lieberals do...........it must be quite okay because they are going to vote for it.

Knuck knuck knuck.

These are going to be glory years with the Liebs, and their former mate DT having to eat the humble pie that a devastating loss at the polls brings. It's called a 'mandate to govern in accordance with announced policies.' Labor announced it, ran hard on it, and won pants down. Now, it is time for political chickens coming home to roost.

Eat it up, DT, I just love the prospect that I can shove that fact in your face all the time, as you used the same, when your soul mate in outer space had the reins. You and hayseed....well no, he seems to have accepted that Australia said, 'bugger off," so it's just you who has a problem with numbers. For example, 9 is far less than 70.

Ho ho ho, and a bottle of rum!

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So you are comfortable with decreased security and worsening conditions for workers? I guess that makes you a true Lieborite too then.

I voted Liberal.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #107 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 8:38pm

And if you are right, which you are not, the Lieberals will also vote for:

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..............decreased security and worsening conditions for workers.

Teehee!

So, off to the political wilderness for you, DT.

Go seek a Pancho, and find some windmills. It will be less painful, and just as fruitless as trying to convince Australia that the Lieberals are wrong to support what Australia has voted for.

I love having this side of the argument for a change.

Have I mentioned.....................'Eat it, DT,' you have at least another 8 or so years to get used to it.

Good luck.

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Reply #108 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 9:41pm

And if you are right, which you are not

So explain how you know what Dullard doesn't??

the Lieberals will also vote for:

Sometimes it is better to squeeze the reeking pustule to bring it to a head to show where the quack doctor has been wrong in his treatment.

Liebors incompetence is already showing- they will be a mess in 3 years- same as they were when they elected the incompetent Latham. Incompetence runs deep within the Liebor camp. You only have to look to the states to figure that one out.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #109 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 9:47pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 8:38pm:

And if you are right, which you are not, the Lieberals will also vote for:

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..............decreased security and worsening conditions for workers.

Teehee!

So, off to the political wilderness for you, DT.

Go seek a Pancho, and find some windmills. It will be less painful, and just as fruitless as trying to convince Australia that the Lieberals are wrong to support what Australia has voted for.

I love having this side of the argument for a change.

Have I mentioned.....................'Eat it, DT,' you have at least another 8 or so years to get used to it.

Good luck.

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I assume your non-answer indicates acquiescence.

I however voted for the Liberal Party I knew - the one Brendan has left to join the Liebor Party.

I voted for the Liberal Party which gave us 11 years of prosperity, the lowest unemployment in 40 years, the lowest incidence of industrial disputation in a century and the biggest spend on health and education ever.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #110 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 10:00pm

Well, DT, I hate to tell you this, but this lot:

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I however voted for the Liberal Party I knew - the one Brendan has left to join the Liebor Party.

I voted for the Liberal Party which gave us 11 years of prosperity, the lowest unemployment in 40 years, the lowest incidence of industrial disputation in a century and the biggest spend on health and education ever.

..........has been turfed out.

As has hayseed. Only the second PM in our history to lose his seat.

You need to re-calibrate.

The Lieberals are at Labor's mercy, as are you to mine.

I have my hand on your jugular..............for at least 8 years, and I am going to apply pressure whenever I can, because you did it while hayseed had control. My turn now.

Eat it.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #111 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 10:09pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2008 at 10:00pm:

Well, DT, I hate to tell you this, but this lot:

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I however voted for the Liberal Party I knew - the one Brendan has left to join the Liebor Party.

I voted for the Liberal Party which gave us 11 years of prosperity, the lowest unemployment in 40 years, the lowest incidence of industrial disputation in a century and the biggest spend on health and education ever.

..........has been turfed out.

As has hayseed. Only the second PM in our history to lose his seat.

You need to re-calibrate.

The Lieberals are at Labor's mercy, as are you to mine.

I have my hand on your jugular..............for at least 8 years, and I am going to apply pressure whenever I can, because you did it while hayseed had control. My turn now.

Eat it.

If Little Kevvy is still throttling Australia in eight years Aussie we will be the only ones left on Ozpolitic. Everyone with an income of less than $1,000,000 a year or without investments that allow them not to work won't be able to afford the internet. The future fund will be gone so any taxpayers who haven't committed suicide will be paying 100% tax to pay for the superannuation shortfall.

And as fewer young Australians will have gone to uni (though it seems there will be a heap of maths teachers) there will be fewer bright young folk to help us out of the inflationary spiral we fell into. Our dollar will be worth today's equivalent of 1c so a Macca's Happy Meal will cost the modest sum of $500 and if you want a bucket of chicken from KFC you will need to mortgage your house at 45% interest rate.

Good luck - see you in hell.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #112 - Feb 21^st, 2008 at 10:47am

Thanks for getting back on topic people. You seem to be learning how to handle trolls. That makes my job a lot easier.

I find it a bit childish and spineless for the libs to say they will vote for a piece of legislation because they hope it will end badly and it will show how bad the other party is. If you vote for something, you go down in history as supporting it. The libs really don't have a clue and just want a bet each way. They can say they voted for it if the public end up suppporting it and blame it on Labor if it goes bad. Nothing cries hypocrit louder than voting for something you oppose.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #113 - Feb 21^st, 2008 at 1:54pm

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2008 at 10:47am:

Thanks for getting back on topic people. You seem to be learning how to handle trolls. That makes my job a lot easier.

I find it a bit childish and spineless for the libs to say they will vote for a piece of legislation because they hope it will end badly and it will show how bad the other party is. If you vote for something, you go down in history as supporting it. The libs really don't have a clue and just want a bet each way. They can say they voted for it if the public end up suppporting it and blame it on Labor if it goes bad. Nothing cries hypocrit louder than voting for something you oppose.

It is disagreeable to support a regime which will kill off Australia's jobs market and make so many people line up at Centrelink and live in tents after their homes go.

I can see why they would do it - but I don't agree. They still have a responsibility to slow down Liebor's destruction.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49144 At my desk.	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #114 - Feb 21^st, 2008 at 2:02pm Surely you're not suggesting the Liberal party isn't perfect? Oh wait, it was Howard who was perfect, right?
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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #115 - Feb 21^st, 2008 at 2:17pm freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2008 at 2:02pm: Surely you're not suggesting the Liberal party isn't perfect? Oh wait, it was Howard who was perfect, right? Deadwood FD get it right. He was then and is now. Just another fact.
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Businesses blame employment laws: survey
Reply #118 - Mar 12^th, 2008 at 11:17am

http://news.smh.com.au/businesses-blame-employment-laws-survey/20080312-1yrv.html

Contrary to what the former coalition government led people to believe, Work Choices and employment laws are the second largest hindrance to a company's expansion, a new survey shows.

The survey of 250 medium-sized to large Australian companies showed that regulation and red-tape scored 32 per cent as a hindrance in expanding their business, up from 27 per cent in a similar 2007 survey.

This included 27 per cent saying employment laws have had the biggest regulatory impact on their ability to expand their business, followed by environmental regulation at 17 per cent and health and safety laws at 10 per cent.

"Governments need to work more closely with business, and those organisations which understand the privately-owned business sector, to identify their future needs and aim to address the regulatory issues ahead of the need, rather than constantly playing 'catch-up'," Tony Markwell, national head of private business services at Grant Thornton said.

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Re: Businesses blame employment laws: survey
Reply #119 - Mar 12^th, 2008 at 8:48pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2008 at 11:17am:

http://news.smh.com.au/businesses-blame-employment-laws-survey/20080312-1yrv.html

Contrary to what the former coalition government led people to believe, Work Choices and employment laws are the second largest hindrance to a company's expansion, a new survey shows.

The survey of 250 medium-sized to large Australian companies showed that regulation and red-tape scored 32 per cent as a hindrance in expanding their business, up from 27 per cent in a similar 2007 survey.

This included 27 per cent saying employment laws have had the biggest regulatory impact on their ability to expand their business, followed by environmental regulation at 17 per cent and health and safety laws at 10 per cent.

"Governments need to work more closely with business, and those organisations which understand the privately-owned business sector, to identify their future needs and aim to address the regulatory issues ahead of the need, rather than constantly playing 'catch-up'," Tony Markwell, national head of private business services at Grant Thornton said.

That's interestingly slewed by the paper. Because while in 2007 Australian business showed the figure of '27%' (it was actually 28% in the real report) for the impact of industrial legislation (and conveniently blamed on WorkChoices by the media), globally the figure was 38%.

Now as other countires do not have WorkChoices, it appears that WorkChoices kept the level of concern at about 75% of that of the rest of the world.

Once you look at all the facts the truth reveals itself . . . .

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