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Reply #135 - Mar 26^th, 2008 at 5:58pm

Speaking of IR laws I wonder if any of Little Cardboard Kevvy's minions can explain why he thinks it's fair to exploit people while mumbling platitudes about how unfair AWAs are.

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Public servants asked to work for free at 2020 summit

Unions and the Federal Opposition have criticised requests for federal public servants to work for free at the upcoming 2020 summit.

About 90 volunteer workers are being sought to work for 12 hours on the Saturday of the summit, and eight hours on the Sunday.

Public service chiefs say it presents an excellent professional development opportunity.

But Stephen Jones of the Community and Public Sector Union says workers should be paid.

"Obviously we support the summit and hope it's a great success, but from what I've heard the roles that people are being asked to perform seem like normal duties," he said.

"If people are there in an official capacity then normally you'd expect them to be paid."

The Federal Opposition has ridiculed the call for public servants to work for free.

Liberal frontbencher Joe Hockey says workers should be paid properly.

"It's not a case of simply providing them with colourful jackets and a nice hat like the Olympics," he said.

"It's got to be a meaningful outcome from the 2020 summit. If Mr Rudd expects with this summit Australians are going to take him and his Government seriously, he needs to have a professional approach."

Kevvy? Will you work for free for the next three years?

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logicalconclusion New Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 19	Work Choices Reply #136 - Mar 18^th, 2008 at 9:53pm http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/18/2193394.htm
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Reply #137 - Mar 18^th, 2008 at 10:08pm

"The Coalition recognises the political realities we now find ourselves in,"

Why don't they both just go for the one Labor-Liberal coalition monoparty and be done with us voters once and for all before it gets to a 50-50 vote.
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Let's not do what would be good for the country, let do what gets us elected by an ignorant ABC force fed voter
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Re: Work Choices
Reply #138 - Mar 18^th, 2008 at 10:16pm

logicalconclusion wrote on Mar 18^th, 2008 at 9:53pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/18/2193394.htm

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Brendan Nelson should be bent over and rooted soundly by Little Kevvy. Little Kevvy is quite proficient at rooting as he has practiced on the uni students, the carers and the seniors. Not to mention the dishwasher, Centrelink, Foreign Affairs and Trade and quite possibly Wayne Swan.

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New work contracts provide flexibility
Reply #139 - Mar 18^th, 2008 at 10:33pm

So did the AWA's, so what is the difference ???
Apart from one being ALP, one LIBs, and this one costing millions to bring online.

"A MINING industry body says changes to the federal government's new interim individual work agreements will provide welcome flexibility for bosses.

The government today accepted 24 amendments to its Workplace Relations Amendment (Transition to Forward with Fairness) Bill 2008.

The bill starts to dismantle the Howard government's controversial Work Choices laws.

It bans the creation of new Australian Workplace Agreements (AWAs), initiates changes to the award system and imposes transitional employment agreements for workers on existing AWAs.

Under the amendments, bosses will be able to extend the use of Individual Transitional Employment Agreements (ITEAs).

Australian Mines and Metals Association (AMMA) spokesman Chris Platt said his group, which had lobbied for the change during the now completed Senate inquiry, welcomed the amendment.

"It means that if, say, a construction company has built a project and then the employees have left the employment between that project and the next one, under the original submission ... those employees would not be able to be engaged on an ITEA because they were to be regarded as an existing employee,'' he said.

"What the amendment change means is that ... employees will be able to be employed on ITEAs so long as there was an AWA in place (on) December 1, 2007."

Mr Platt said while it was expected that in the resources industry the majority of employees would use collective agreements, there were some resource sector employers who had a preference to use statutory individual contracts.

"The expansion of ITEAs will give them additional flexibility in the period leading up to 2010," he said.

"It's a submission that we put to the Senate committee in recent times and it's pleasing to see that the government is listening and improving its legislation as a result of feedback."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23396531-5014046,00.html

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Labor's plan to end Work Choices slammed
Reply #140 - May 7^th, 2008 at 4:26pm

IR laws 'helping work-life balance'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1187830244

Labor's plan to end Work Choices slammed

http://news.smh.com.au/labors-plan-to-end-work-choices-slammed/20080507-2bq9.html

Federal Labor's industrial relations changes are likely to trigger job losses and higher inflation, a Treasury analysis of the plan to scrap Work Choices states.

Treasury's assessment of the plan is contained in an executive minute dated April 18 of last year, before the federal election.

The critique concludes the effects will ultimately create "wage-price spirals" and drive up interest rates, while limiting unfair dismissal laws will cut jobs and increase red tape for small business.

The minute, obtained by The Australian, came one day after Kevin Rudd, as then opposition leader, flagged in a speech to the National Press Club the industrial relations changes he would make as head of a Labor government.

The department, under Treasury secretary Ken Henry, concluded that Labor's plan to abolish Australian Workplace Agreements and the return of guaranteed penalty rates would cut jobs and put "upward pressure on prices".

The changes would also create more "flow-on" wage claims from sectors such as mining to less productive sectors and allow unions to "bid wages up above their market level".

"This reduced flexibility, together with forcing business to pay higher rates of pay during certain hours of business, is likely to lead to lower levels of employment," the minute states.

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Re: Labor's plan to end Work Choices slammed
Reply #141 - May 7^th, 2008 at 5:56pm

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 4:26pm:

IR laws 'helping work-life balance'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1187830244

Labor's plan to end Work Choices slammed

http://news.smh.com.au/labors-plan-to-end-work-choices-slammed/20080507-2bq9.html

Federal Labor's industrial relations changes are likely to trigger job losses and higher inflation, a Treasury analysis of the plan to scrap Work Choices states.

Treasury's assessment of the plan is contained in an executive minute dated April 18 of last year, before the federal election.

The critique concludes the effects will ultimately create "wage-price spirals" and drive up interest rates, while limiting unfair dismissal laws will cut jobs and increase red tape for small business.

The minute, obtained by The Australian, came one day after Kevin Rudd, as then opposition leader, flagged in a speech to the National Press Club the industrial relations changes he would make as head of a Labor government.

The department, under Treasury secretary Ken Henry, concluded that Labor's plan to abolish Australian Workplace Agreements and the return of guaranteed penalty rates would cut jobs and put "upward pressure on prices".

The changes would also create more "flow-on" wage claims from sectors such as mining to less productive sectors and allow unions to "bid wages up above their market level".

"This reduced flexibility, together with forcing business to pay higher rates of pay during certain hours of business, is likely to lead to lower levels of employment," the minute states.

Liebor voters voted for unemployment so they wouldn't care about that. They would expect that knowing how Liebor uses the poor to wipe mud off their boots on while they look after the rich and themselves.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38792 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #142 - May 7^th, 2008 at 6:03pm You voted Lieberal, you tell us that all the time. But, your Lieberals, who voted FOR Labor's reforms, ergo, condemn you as an idiot. Can't say I disagree with them.
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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #143 - May 7^th, 2008 at 6:14pm

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:03pm:

You voted Lieberal, you tell us that all the time. But, your Lieberals, who voted FOR Labor's reforms, ergo, condemn you as an idiot.

Can't say I disagree with them.

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Don't be so hasty. While it is true that pseudo Liebor pollie Brendan Nelson seemed to give some in principle support to the destructive return to stone age IR the only way Liebor will get the punitive amendments to unfair dismissal regulations is after the senate gives up its coalition majority.

So be cautious my little friend, the Liberals accept the will of the people on some things (foolishly in my opinion) but decline to allow Liebor to completely root the workers by going back to the future of Cheating's anti-worker legislation on unfair dismissals.

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Reply #144 - May 7^th, 2008 at 6:16pm

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Treasury's assessment of the plan is contained in an executive minute dated April 18 of last year, before the federal election

The department, under Treasury secretary Ken Henry, concluded that Labor's plan to abolish Australian Workplace Agreements and the return of guaranteed penalty rates would cut jobs and put "upward pressure on prices".

This executive minute is a year old - of course Ken Henry would have said something like that back then. He worked for Howard. No doubt since Rudd's been in power, he's done an about turn and would now be claiming the exact opposite.

This sounds like something Turnbull has dredged up.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #145 - May 7^th, 2008 at 6:24pm

mantra wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:16pm:

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Treasury's assessment of the plan is contained in an executive minute dated April 18 of last year, before the federal election

The department, under Treasury secretary Ken Henry, concluded that Labor's plan to abolish Australian Workplace Agreements and the return of guaranteed penalty rates would cut jobs and put "upward pressure on prices".

This executive minute is a year old - of course Ken Henry would have said something like that back then. He worked for Howard. No doubt since Rudd's been in power, he's done an about turn and would now be claiming the exact opposite.

This sounds like something Turnbull has dredged up.

You think Treasury just tell porkies to suit the government of the day? And it wasn't something Mal pulled out, it was a minute obtained by the Australian. It actually followed a request which was denied by the Liebor control freaks for more info via an FOI claim.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #146 - May 7^th, 2008 at 6:30pm

deepthought wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:14pm:

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:03pm:

You voted Lieberal, you tell us that all the time. But, your Lieberals, who voted FOR Labor's reforms, ergo, condemn you as an idiot.

Can't say I disagree with them.

Cool

Don't be so hasty. While it is true that pseudo Liebor pollie Brendan Nelson seemed to give some in principle support to the destructive return to stone age IR the only way Liebor will get the punitive amendments to unfair dismissal regulations is after the senate gives up its coalition majority.

So be cautious my little friend, the Liberals accept the will of the people on some things (foolishly in my opinion) but decline to allow Liebor to completely root the workers by going back to the future of Cheating's anti-worker legislation on unfair dismissals.

Labor's IR legislative reforms have received and will receive Lieberal Party endorsement, so that puts you at odds with the mob you voted for.

You are the odd man out, Don QuixoTe.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #147 - May 7^th, 2008 at 6:37pm

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:30pm:

deepthought wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:14pm:

Aussie wrote on May 7^th, 2008 at 6:03pm:

You voted Lieberal, you tell us that all the time. But, your Lieberals, who voted FOR Labor's reforms, ergo, condemn you as an idiot.

Can't say I disagree with them.

Cool

Don't be so hasty. While it is true that pseudo Liebor pollie Brendan Nelson seemed to give some in principle support to the destructive return to stone age IR the only way Liebor will get the punitive amendments to unfair dismissal regulations is after the senate gives up its coalition majority.

So be cautious my little friend, the Liberals accept the will of the people on some things (foolishly in my opinion) but decline to allow Liebor to completely root the workers by going back to the future of Cheating's anti-worker legislation on unfair dismissals.

Labor's IR legislative reforms have received and will receive Lieberal Party endorsement, so that puts you at odds with the mob you voted for.

You are the odd man out, Don QuixoTe.

You're wrong. The first piece of legislation did not cover unfair dismissal at all. That will not be introduced until later in the year because the Libs will oppose it.

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Reply #149 - May 7^th, 2008 at 7:40pm

If you are at all interested, you can check which Bills are currently being considered by Parliament:-

http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/browse.aspx?path=Legislation%20%3E%20Current%20Bills%20by%20Title

Australia is a democractic country so anyone can read what Legislation is proposed, the text of same, and "track" the progress. Wink

The only problem is that once the Bills are introduced into Parliament, we as citizens can NOT do much about it. That's why we have the system we do. You vote for what you get. If you don't "approve" of the proposed Legislation, tough luck! Roll Eyes

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