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Reply #15 - Aug 14th, 2007 at 11:56am
 
Progs wrote on Aug 13th, 2007 at 8:14pm:
Once again you betray your ignorance. The unemployment rate is low only because of the huge increase in part-time jobs. Part-timers have no contract defining their job, no job security, no award conditions and no rights to things like overtime pay or sick leave. Full time employment has been static since 1996, apart from federal government employment which has tripled from about 100,000 in 1995 to around 300,000 in 2007.


That is the complete truth. Im in that exact position.
Im considering returning to the Army, and pursue a career there for the rest of my life.
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Reply #16 - Aug 14th, 2007 at 12:40pm
 
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Progs wrote on Aug 13th, 2007 at 8:14pm:
Once again you betray your ignorance. The unemployment rate is low only because of the huge increase in part-time jobs. Part-timers have no contract defining their job, no job security, no award conditions and no rights to things like overtime pay or sick leave. Full time employment has been static since 1996, apart from federal government employment which has tripled from about 100,000 in 1995 to around 300,000 in 2007.


That is the complete truth. Im in that exact position.
Im considering returning to the Army, and pursue a career there for the rest of my life.



hey Aussie..

you could do worse than pursue a career in the Army thats for sure.
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Reply #17 - Aug 5th, 2007 at 6:41pm
 
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,22187259-462,00.html

THE Howard Government is reinforcing fears about the loss of employment conditions in its $37 million television advertising blitz rather than persuading voters they are protected, according to the first research about the new ads.

Television commercials that acknowledge people are worried about the loss of holiday entitlements, penalty rates, job security and conditions for young workers are "educating the public as to the negative realities of the new IR laws, rather than myth-busting", research conducted in the past two weeks indicates.

The campaign - starring Workplace Authority director Barbara Bennett, who has been criticised by Labor for appearing in the ads - was launched in July after the Government softened its laws and introduced a fairness test to protect workers earning $75,000 or less.
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Reply #18 - Aug 5th, 2007 at 7:31pm
 
They're right.
The govt should also run adds featuring people who would never work under general agreements, suited to the "average" worker.
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Realistically- can IR be rolled back?
Reply #19 - May 23rd, 2007 at 2:52pm
 
Can IR be rolled back.?

Ive heard it said it wont happen because it would be just too difficult to undo.

What would be involved? Rudd seems very determined.
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Reply #20 - May 23rd, 2007 at 4:06pm
 
hhhmmm, it could be rolled back.  Anything is possible.

IR is only what the business sector HAD to have. They HAVE to have flexibility.
Many employees love them, they won't go back.
If they merit it, they get paid more, are not shackled to others who are not as productive.

It can't be that onerous, has been with us for a decade.  Sure, fine tune it if need be.
Totally scrapping anything is pointless unless the new system is dramatically better.

Sounds like labours renamed schedule is the same idea in a new package.
Either that or companies will be made unprofitable. Many jobs will be lost as a consequence.

Scrapping IR is a political ploy, IR has been made a big bad bogeyman by the unions.
Which it is not.
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Reply #21 - May 23rd, 2007 at 6:13pm
 
Well Sprint,

I unfortunately dont have enough working knowledge of these things to dispute what you say..but yes I have heard that some pple are happy with their agreements, flexibility being one aspect.

I wonder why then there are so many unhappy with it.,? I think young ppl;e are unfairly affected by this . I dont klike the thought of Irs and Im not even sure why.

I just love the idea that the Unions will protect us if we have our security threatend for whatever reason, the safety net is a very comforting thought and most battlers realise in most cases the only friend they have if they arent in high earning groups.
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Reply #22 - May 23rd, 2007 at 9:19pm
 
What you say is pretty right.  There should be an area of "amicable" agreement.
It is not good if either employee or employer has the complete control.
In all reality there are not so many unhappy with it.

In the real world those powerless (young people, uneducated) are not in a good bargaining position. The laws of supply and demand dictate this. The powerless are selling their talents in a market that has a glut. That may sound hardnosed, but in those jobs there are 500 applicants.
That is a market reality.

The safety net is the social security system, which is much more generous than most  other places in the world .
Unions are useless when the business closes down because labour costs are too high , or because qualified staff are not available.

This may seem unrelated, but stick with it. I did an associate diploma by correspondance.
I was acutely aware that if I failed a subject I was going to have to do it again AND pay for it again. This financial reality helped me in that I did not fail any subjects. Had there been a "safety net", where a failure did not cost me, I may well have failed a few subjects.

That's where being in the "real world" is beneficial for everyone.
We don't want more "battlers". There are more than enough battlers. Don't encourage them.
Encourage those that want more than to be battlers.

That's the liberal thought process.

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Reply #23 - May 23rd, 2007 at 10:19pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 23rd, 2007 at 9:19pm:
What you say is pretty right.  There should be an area of "amicable" agreement.
It is not good if either employee or employer has the complete control.
In all reality there are not so many unhappy with it.

In the real world those powerless (young people, uneducated) are not in a good bargaining position. The laws of supply and demand dictate this. The powerless are selling their talents in a market that has a glut. That may sound hardnosed, but in those jobs there are 500 applicants.
That is a market reality.

The safety net is the social security system, which is much more generous than most  other places in the world .
Unions are useless when the business closes down because labour costs are too high , or because qualified staff are not available.

This may seem unrelated, but stick with it. I did an associate diploma by correspondance.
I was acutely aware that if I failed a subject I was going to have to do it again AND pay for it again. This financial reality helped me in that I did not fail any subjects. Had there been a "safety net", where a failure did not cost me, I may well have failed a few subjects.

That's where being in the "real world" is beneficial for everyone.
We don't want more "battlers". There are more than enough battlers. Don't encourage them.
Encourage those that want more than to be battlers.

That's the liberal thought process.




The Liberal thought process is not supported by its actions though Sprint..in the vocational training schemes etc, we stilll need plumbers and builders etc. We cant all be academics and white or blue collar. I want ot be a Social Worker for instance
, one of the resons I chose this area of study is because I see a critical shortage of Social Workers in this country..I have a veiw to working and living in England after a while.So I am targetting my study to meet a demand.

The welfare to work schemes are not helping pple with decent training schemes, tafe or whatever to meet the skill shortages..it threatens the vulnerable with harsh punishments and payments cuts if they dont dance to their disgraceful and rediculous regiomes.

This is the Libs chance to properly reskill pple who really need it and meet the skill shortage with Austarlin workers, but no..its off on a power trip whereby it has no reghard for the human suffering it imposes.

These ppl will be efeected by IR and once theyre safety net is gone..theyre benefit, will not be abkle to go and get decent training , they will be left to struggle, with t\Australias next generation whom they will be desperately trying to feed and clothe.

This Government has to go, they see no human suffering, only ways to further boost the surplus and  the battlers are indispenible..happy to take their taxes but loathe to help them when they need it.
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Reply #24 - May 24th, 2007 at 9:44am
 
Our welfare schemes are a far better safety net than any IR laws. They effectively set a minimum wage because people will only work for significantly more than what they can get for doing nothing. They also mean people don't have to put up with arseholes for bosses. I have a friend who has done those work for the dole things. So long as you turn up, they can't do anything against you even if you don't actually do any work. And if you can't even be bothered turning up then maybe you shouldn't be on welfare. There are plenty of young people who are happy to stay with their parents and too lazy to get out of bed, which is fine so long as they don't expect to get paid for it.
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Reply #25 - May 24th, 2007 at 10:44am
 
Hi oceans - I tried to read your posting and leaving out the rhetoric, but there was not much left .  Smiley

yes there is a skills shortage. That is generated by the robustly healthy economy the libs have generated. Under a labour govt, there is no skills shortage, there is lagre unemployment.
Thanks for bringing that topic up.   Wink


freediver - my thinking is "work for the dole" can only be effective and meaningful if it is voluntary.
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Reply #26 - May 24th, 2007 at 11:58am
 
effective - depends on what your goals are
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Reply #27 - May 24th, 2007 at 12:09pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24th, 2007 at 10:44am:
Hi oceans - I tried to read your posting and leaving out the rhetoric, but there was not much left .  Smiley

yes there is a skills shortage. That is generated by the robustly healthy economy the libs have generated. Under a labour govt, there is no skills shortage, there is lagre unemployment.
Thanks for bringing that topic up.   Wink


freediver - my thinking is "work for the dole" can only be effective and meaningful if it is voluntary.


No worries Sprint,

As for rhetoric, I think supporters of both sides of politics rely on rhetoric to make points.

As for robustly healthy economy , the employment stats are rubbery and deceiving..The unemployment rate is actually more like 12% I saw one poster report and this is because if, in this country now you do but ONE MEASLEY hours work, you are classed as 'EMPLOYED"????  Give me a break. This trickery and lies are the reason the Libs are in such dire straits right now.

Im sorry if this sounds like more rhetoric. But Ill supply figures later on if Ican .


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Reply #28 - May 24th, 2007 at 2:33pm
 
So how is there a skills shortage, yet 12% unemployed ?
Not too sure I would trust figures bandied around by some other poster.

I believe even part time employed is being employed.  As opposed to being unemployed.

Shall we look at 20% unemployed after 3 years of a labour govt ?
At least they won't be suffering under IR.   Wink
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Reply #29 - May 24th, 2007 at 7:09pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 24th, 2007 at 2:33pm:
So how is there a skills shortage, yet 12% unemployed ?
Not too sure I would trust figures bandied around by some other poster.

I believe even part time employed is being employed.  As opposed to being unemployed.

Shall we look at 20% unemployed after 3 years of a labour govt ?
At least they won't be suffering under IR.   Wink


And hopefully that wil be god for us all... Wink
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