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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49275 At my desk.	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #45 - Nov 28^th, 2007 at 9:35pm He admitted his party got it wrong.
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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #46 - Nov 28^th, 2007 at 9:48pm I haven't seen you elected to the senate- or even got your party off the ground. Are you admitting you are wrong?
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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #47 - Nov 28^th, 2007 at 9:56pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2007 at 9:35pm:

He admitted his party got it wrong.

Got what wrong though. You must always listen closely to a politician. You aren't discerning enough. This is what Joe Hockey also said.

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And he warned that their scrapping under a Labor Government would cause a rise in unemployment.

"As I said yesterday and I've said since election day, WorkChoices is dead, and there is an overwhelming mandate for the Labor Party's policy of tearing up WorkChoices," he said.

"We will accept that. I think there are a number of people in the Liberal Party that grieve for the fact, [who say] that there will be significant job losses, and I think that they're right.

He knows that scrapping workchoices will cause the economy to collapse as people lose their jobs. He wants Liebor to be on the nose when they go ahead and hand power back to the unions. How else will Joe Hockey's party get back in 2010?

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Reply #48 - Nov 29^th, 2007 at 6:19pm

Everyone knew that unemployment would rise with a Liebor government in power and that it would signal the beginning of the end of prosperity. Even I did not expect it so soon.

But it has begun a few days after the snouts hit the trough.

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Bosses race to beat labour laws

SMALL businesses are being urged to sack workers before Labor overhauls the industrial relations laws, as one of Australia's biggest employers races to put 15,000 staff on five-year employment contracts before Work Choices is scrapped.

Telstra (tls.ASX:Quote,News) yesterday outlined a post-election strategy to urgently sign up thousands of its staff already employed under Australian Workplace Agreements to new deals that do not guarantee pay rises.

The AWAs being offered by the telecommunications giant could also be offered to new employees who join Telstra before the new laws are passed.

The move comes as small businesses were being advised to seize the "window of opportunity to take advantage of Work Choices" before Labor's new laws are implemented.

"The exemption from unfair dismissal laws for businesses with 100 employees or less could be gone by early 2008," says Smartcompany, an online magazine for business that attracts 80,000 hits a month.

"SME (small and medium enterprise) owners who move quickly to get rid of unsuitable staff could save themselves on legal costs and go-away money down the track.

"There is also an opportunity for SMEs to maximise the benefit they derive from (AWAs). Labor has promised AWAs signed before its laws come in will be allowed to operate until 2012."

Watch the country collapse

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #49 - Nov 29^th, 2007 at 8:14pm yep, I saw it today in the share market. people are just pulling their breath in a bit.
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Reply #50 - Nov 29^th, 2007 at 8:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 29^th, 2007 at 8:14pm:

yep, I saw it today in the share market.
people are just pulling their breath in a bit.

The share market actually rose which is an indication of the shift in the housing market. When property looks shaky people shift into the share market. I'd say canny investors are predicting a property crash as ordinary Australians get wiped out by interest rate rises following Liebor's win. The smart money is moving away from property.

These signs of a slump in the economy is very early - I certainly did not expect such a swift negative reaction to Liebor.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #51 - Nov 29^th, 2007 at 9:07pm imho - the market rose on oil and US's rise and % rate cut. When interest rates rise, peple shuffle their money into cash - why take the risk ?? Look for coys reliant on their yield to suffer the most - eg banks. No, I did not expect a shiver so soon either.
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Reply #52 - Nov 29^th, 2007 at 11:00pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 29^th, 2007 at 9:07pm:

imho - the market rose on oil and US's rise and % rate cut.

When interest rates rise, peple shuffle their money into cash - why take the risk ??
Look for coys reliant on their yield to suffer the most - eg banks.

No, I did not expect a shiver so soon either.

The only people to make a lot of money out of the Hawke Keating Dynasties were the rich and the share price rises were pretty specific this time too. Little Kevvy promised to waste hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars giving computers to kids. Needless to say computer manufacturers will be rolling in it and the shares in retailers such as JB HiFi and Harvey Norman have jumped almost immediately. On tuesday JB HiFi shares rose 84c to $15.60 - a reflection of the direction wealth flows when a Liebor government focus on wealth creation for shareholders.

Banks will suffer as you say sprint, they will see a lot of defaults on borrowings as people lose jobs and can no longer service their loans. The flow on to the average consumer will be in bank charge hikes which will see the rich move money off shore, probably into Asia or a tax haven to protect it.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #53 - Nov 29^th, 2007 at 11:41pm Deepy - particularily good point you bring up. "Punish" the rich people (for being rich), and eventually they will leave. Leaving only poor people there. Not a good country to live in. "Accommodate" the rich people and they will come/stay there. They will spend up big and help everyone. Noice place to live.
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Reply #54 - Nov 30^th, 2007 at 6:25pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 29^th, 2007 at 11:41pm:

Deepy - particularily good point you bring up.

"Punish" the rich people (for being rich), and eventually they will leave.
Leaving only poor people there. Not a good country to live in.

"Accommodate" the rich people and they will come/stay there.
They will spend up big and help everyone. Noice place to live.

Australians paid a heavy penalty in the 80s as the cult of the super rich was born. Who can forget Christopher Skase and Alan Bond. Both made mountains of cash while the workers suffered stagnant wages. Then they hid it all over the world and the government spent millions of taxpayer dollars trying to recover it. Kerry Packer amassed wealth beyond dreams during that time too. He made his first billion during Liebor's tyranny.

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Work Choices went too far: Liberal MP
Reply #55 - Dec 13^th, 2007 at 2:37pm

http://news.smh.com.au/work-choices-went-too-far-liberal-mp/20071213-1guz.html

The Howard government went too far with its Work Choices laws, a key Liberal party frontbencher says.

Former minister and party official Andrew Robb will be involved in a review of the Liberal Party rules and structures, one of three examinations commissioned following last month's electoral defeat.

Speaking on ABC radio, he admitted there were flaws in the former government's Work Choices policy, as well as the Liberal Party structure.

"The fact of the matter is we went too far on Work Choices," he said.

Mr Robb said the coalition's domination of the Senate had meant the government had not canvassed opinions as widely as it should.

"I think because we had control of the Senate there was a temptation to ram things through and not necessarily give consideration to the wide range of views," he said.

The former Liberal federal director said that improvements in the party structure were also crucial.

"We've got a structure which is more appropriate for the last century than this century."

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Re: Work Choices went too far: Liberal MP
Reply #56 - Dec 13^th, 2007 at 5:51pm

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2007 at 2:37pm:

http://news.smh.com.au/work-choices-went-too-far-liberal-mp/20071213-1guz.html

The Howard government went too far with its Work Choices laws, a key Liberal party frontbencher says.

Former minister and party official Andrew Robb will be involved in a review of the Liberal Party rules and structures, one of three examinations commissioned following last month's electoral defeat.

Speaking on ABC radio, he admitted there were flaws in the former government's Work Choices policy, as well as the Liberal Party structure.

"The fact of the matter is we went too far on Work Choices," he said.

Mr Robb said the coalition's domination of the Senate had meant the government had not canvassed opinions as widely as it should.

"I think because we had control of the Senate there was a temptation to ram things through and not necessarily give consideration to the wide range of views," he said.

The former Liberal federal director said that improvements in the party structure were also crucial.

"We've got a structure which is more appropriate for the last century than this century."

Poor old fellow. He's wrong. The fact that the modern IR policies of Johnny worked have just been proven today with the release of new employment figures - or should I say unemployment figures.

First point is that unemployment is now the highest it has been since the start of the year.

But the second point is the most frightening for Australians, though it is the predicted outcome of the election of a Liebor government in November, and that is that the number of jobs created in November were largely part time - about 80% of them.

Contrast that with the new jobs created before the fear of Liebor set in. They were mostly full time roles as the batallions of casuals created by Cheating shrank.

WorkChoices worked, the Liebor government's Union first policy is killing off the good effects though.

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Reply #57 - Dec 17^th, 2007 at 9:49pm

Hey freediver, here's one of your heroes, an economist, telling us that scrapping Workchoices will add to the risk of inflation. Is he right?

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Scrapping WorkChoices will 'add to inflation risk'

Economic consulting firm Access Economics says dumping the former government's WorkChoices laws will pose another risk to inflation, in an already overheated economy.

Federal Cabinet met today and formally approved plans to scrap the previous government's workplace regime.

The go-ahead came on the same day the economics forecaster warned the Government its planned tax cuts will push interest rates up if it does not find major savings.

Chris Richardson from Access Economics told The 7.30 Report scrapping WorkChoices will add to that problem.

"I think it's an added risk but it's certainly not the main risk," he said.

"The main risk is the sheer pace of China and therefore Australia at the moment."

Bugger those economists

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #58 - Dec 18^th, 2007 at 9:35am DT - that was why I admire JWH so much . He was right .
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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #59 - Dec 18^th, 2007 at 6:25pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 18^th, 2007 at 9:35am: DT - that was why I admire JWH so much . He was right . It's obvious the abolition of WorkChoices will put the economy in reverse. But Liebor have never cared for individual workers.
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