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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #60 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 8:22pm

Australians can be thankful Little Kevvy is a true Liebor man and lies like billyo. The unions aren't at all happy that he is a true Liebor man and lies like billyo.

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Unions threaten Rudd over workplace reforms

UNIONS have threatened to campaign against the Rudd Government unless the Coalition's workplace laws are dismantled in 12 months, after Julia Gillard confirmed that Labor's planned restoration of unfair dismissal claims could be delayed with other changes until 2010.

The Deputy Prime Minister yesterday held out the prospect of Labor waiting until the next election year before honouring the party's promise to give all workers unfair dismissal rights.

The uncertainty over Labor's position has unsettled unions, which campaigned for the ALP during the election campaign and had expected a faster timetable for abolishing John Howard's Work Choices.

Unions were taken by surprise yesterday that Ms Gillard could delay unfair dismissal changes until 2010, allowing employers to continue sacking employees with impunity until then.

Ms Gillard met employers and unions yesterday at a private meeting in Canberra to discuss Labor's plans, with unions hoping she would accept a "progressive implementation" of Labor's industrial laws between now and 2010.

But asked specifically on Sydney radio about the timing for unfair dismissal laws, Ms Gillard, the Workplace Relations Minister, left open a delay of a further 25 months, saying "every bit of it" would be in operation on January 1, 2010.

"That's when awards will be modernised; that's when our new industrial umpire, Fair Work Australia, will come into operation," Ms Gillard said.

"Obviously, that (legislation) will deal with a number of matters, including unfair dismissals."

According to policy documents released earlier this year, Labor's unfair dismissal regime is to be run by a branch of Fair Work Australia, which Ms Gillard confirmed would start operation from January 2010.

Victorian Trades Hall Council secretary Brian Boyd said unions would lobby the entire federal Labor caucus in a bid to ensure Work Choices was scrapped by the end of next year.

"Two years is far too long," he told The Australian. "We have to accelerate the process of dismantling Work Choices. It's got to be done sooner rather than later.

"There are a lot of working people out there who should not be left still at the mercy of the Work Choices machinery. We know these things take time, but I don't think it needs to take two years.
"Our view is that the dismantling of Work Choices should be accelerated through 2008 and not go beyond 2008."

Unions NSW secretary John Robertson said his understanding remained that unfair dismissal laws could be in force before 2010. However, other union leaders said Ms Gillard was vague on timing.

Vague on timing? I think they mean just 'vague'

Liebor know that scrapping WorkChoices will destroy the economy so they are putting it off as long as possible - preferably just far enough out from the next election to have no immediate impact. Crikey they're about as crooked as it's possible to be.

Some legal chappy, Industrial law professor Ron McCallum, said 'he believed "ordinary Australians" would have believed in the lead-up to the election that Labor planned to restore unfair dismissal rights sooner than 2010'.

What he failed to consider is that 'ordinary Australians' don't matter to Kevvy - they are election fodder. Bulltesticling to them is of no concern to Liebor.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38792 Gender:	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #61 - Dec 20^th, 2007 at 8:41pm Where do you go now, DT? Those Lieberals.....the very bastards who told us that Work Choices are the magic wand silver bullet for/of IR, have............... .......................................abandoned Work Choices. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes you look like an ass, nay?
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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #62 - Dec 20^th, 2007 at 9:50pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 20^th, 2007 at 8:41pm:

Where do you go now, DT?

Those Lieberals.....the very bastards who told us that Work Choices are the magic wand silver bullet for/of IR, have...............

.......................................abandoned Work Choices. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Makes you look like an ass, nay?

Not me mate, the very possibility of WorkChoices being abandoned has caused unemployment to rise to a level not seen since February and part time jobs to outstrip full time ones for the first time in two years mate - in fact since WorkChoices came in.

It's clear that Little Kevvy is no friend of the worker.

Can you explain the horror facing Australians in the work place Aussie?

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Over $17m spent on Work Choices ads
Reply #63 - Dec 21^st, 2007 at 3:54pm

http://news.smh.com.au/over-17m-spent-on-work-choices-ads/20071221-1ifs.html

The Howard government spent more than $17 million last financial year advertising its highly-controversial changes to workplace laws.

The figures are contained in the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations annual report.

The report reveals spending for the 2006-07 financial year but not the amount spent on advertising Work Choices laws in the lead-up to the time the November 24 federal election was called.

More than $1 million was spent researching the effectiveness of the ads with the Open Mind Research Group.

And $12.6 million was spent buying advertising space for "welfare to work, support the system and workplace relations system campaigns".

Dewey and Horton was paid $44,404.25 to take photos for Work Choices advertising while advertising agency Whybin/TBWA received $1.4 million for "creative services" that were part of the Work Choices campaign.

Mr Hockey repeatedly refused to say how much had been spent advertising the virtues of Work Choices - a legislative package that will be dismantled in February by the new Labor government.

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Reply #64 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:22pm

It's a little over a month into the Liebor Government's stranglehold on the economy and the cracks in Australia's prosperity and vitality are appearing. Already the unemployment rate has risen to the highest it has been since the beginning of 2007, part time employment has returned to haunt the security of workers and now outpaces full time work on offer, and now strikes, after being at a near 100 year low under Johnny's benign leadership, loom maliciously to threaten our lives.

The CFMEU have made good on their threats to crap smackity testicles the building industry - one of the drivers of the economy for many years now.

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The Labor government is facing its first stand-off with unions, after the CFMEU suggested workers would strike if they are not given back awards that they lost under the Howard government.

The union wants overtime payments, penalty rates, site allowances and rostered days off for its workers, and says it is prepared to organise strikes if it faces opposition.

Workplace Relations Minister Julia Gillard has sent a message to unions that threaten illegal strike action.

Opposition leader Brendan Nelson has been quick to condemn the union pressure on the new Labor government. 'We're three days into 2008 and already we've got the prospect of strikes... The unions have spent $30 million getting Mr Rudd and Julia Gillard and the government elected, and it seems they've already come calling,' Dr Nelson said.

As Workplace Relations Minister Julia Gillard sent a message to unions that threaten illegal strike action, Mr Nelson says Labor is in no position to stand up to the unions.

'I am not confident that Mr Rudd and Julia Gillard will be able to stand up to the unions.'

'Because let's remember, in the end, the unions actually own the Labor Party.'

According to the union, some of the entitlements would be worth up to $150 per week in overtime payments to some employees.

Employers within the industry warn the reinstatement of the provisions could trigger a wage explosion within the construction industry and cause construction costs to skyrocket.

The union does however claim that any moves to reach a fresh pay deal, will not be taken until after the government's new industrial legislation is passed.

Watch out Australia - it's back to the future with Liebor

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #66 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 8:38pm:

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Can you explain the horror facing Australians in the work place Aussie?

Strawman.

You are boring, DT.

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Aussie's usual modus operandi is

1) to plop in, deny everything in the face of awesome evidence to the contrary,

2) keep shifting the goal posts all over the field

3) then clear off when he sees he has nowhere else to go.

Are you on your bike old boy?

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #67 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:44pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 8:38pm:

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Can you explain the horror facing Australians in the work place Aussie?

Strawman.

You are boring, DT.

deepy said

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Aussie's usual modus operandi is

1) to plop in, deny everything in the face of awesome evidence to the contrary,

2) keep shifting the goal posts all over the field

3) then clear off when he sees he has nowhere else to go.

Are you on your bike old boy?

Nah, still here, and that makes your theory a tad querstionable.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #68 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:49pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:44pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 8:38pm:

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Can you explain the horror facing Australians in the work place Aussie?

Strawman.

You are boring, DT.

deepy said

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Aussie's usual modus operandi is

1) to plop in, deny everything in the face of awesome evidence to the contrary,

2) keep shifting the goal posts all over the field

3) then clear off when he sees he has nowhere else to go.

Are you on your bike old boy?

Nah, still here, and that makes your theory a tad querstionable.

Not really, as I don't see the argument "You are boring, DT" particularly compelling Aussie.

You will need to add a little substance to your comments or they appear to be remarkably like a personal insult and not a considered viewpoint. I wouldn't expect many people would think "You are boring, DT" was very grown up.

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #69 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 9:22pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:22pm:

It's a little over a month into the Liebor Government's stranglehold on the economy and the cracks in Australia's prosperity and vitality are appearing. Already the unemployment rate has risen to the highest it has been since the beginning of 2007, part time employment has returned to haunt the security of workers and now outpaces full time work on offer, and now strikes, after being at a near 100 year low under Johnny's benign leadership, loom maliciously to threaten our lives.

The CFMEU have made good on their threats to crap smackity testicles the building industry - one of the drivers of the economy for many years now.

And now . . . . .

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Qantas engineers plan 'low-level' work bans

Talks between Qantas management and the engineers union has wound up without a resolution on a new enterprise agreement.

Qantas maintenance workers are planning industrial action after talks between management and the engineers union wound up without a resolution on a new enterprise agreement.

Both Qantas and the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association agree that some progress was made today.

Executive general manager of Qantas Engineering, David Cox, says there may be further talks before next week's action.

"We've been advised that from next Wednesday they will institute what I'd describe as a low-level overtime ban," he said.

Welcome to your nightmare Australia

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Re: The facts on IR laws
Reply #70 - Jan 6^th, 2008 at 4:27pm

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:22pm:

It's a little over a month into the Liebor Government's stranglehold on the economy and the cracks in Australia's prosperity and vitality are appearing.

Stranglehold? Very tough rhetoric DT. I didn't see you use the same words describing Liberal's majority in both the Upper and Lower Houses. The softer term mandate is what the aprarachiks have called it I think. A mandate which the JWH promised not to abuse.

What stranglehold do they have apart from being the governing party?

As you have said, it has only been a month (4 weeks) so whatever cracks that are appearing are not caused by Labor as they haven't passed any laws or enacted any policies (besides Kyoto) yet. Therefore, whatever effects are lags from the Liberal reign. It's hard to pin this on Labor DT. If the situation is still the same in say 6-12 months time then I'll stand by you.

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Reply #71 - Jan 6^th, 2008 at 5:17pm

Acid Monkey wrote on Jan 6^th, 2008 at 4:27pm:

deepthought wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:22pm:

It's a little over a month into the Liebor Government's stranglehold on the economy and the cracks in Australia's prosperity and vitality are appearing.

Stranglehold? Very tough rhetoric DT. I didn't see you use the same words describing Liberal's majority in both the Upper and Lower Houses. The softer term mandate is what the aprarachiks have called it I think. A mandate which the JWH promised not to abuse.

What stranglehold do they have apart from being the governing party?

As you have said, it has only been a month (4 weeks) so whatever cracks that are appearing are not caused by Labor as they haven't passed any laws or enacted any policies (besides Kyoto) yet. Therefore, whatever effects are lags from the Liberal reign. It's hard to pin this on Labor DT. If the situation is still the same in say 6-12 months time then I'll stand by you.

Wink

Industrial action reached near 100 year lows under the coalition. The unions threatened to take action if Liebor was elected and they spent a lot of money to ensure it happened. Now they have come to collect their due. This recent industrial action is nothing to do with the former coalition government. It is the unions taking control of the country as the Liebor Party wrecks the economy.

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Reply #72 - Jan 9^th, 2008 at 9:53pm

The unions are re-stocking the larder in anticipation of giving Australians hell.

They introduced a levy so they could tell a bunch of porkies on tele about IR. And it seemed to work as the majority of Australians fell for the fibs and chose the Little Kevvy Holiday Show. The Headmaster has rewarded the people by having a big piss up at Kirribilli, goggling at the fireworks and teetering about at the cricket. That's after jetting off to Iraq, Afghanistan and Bali while leaving his deputy to fiddle the books.

So now the unions have a government they can manipulate they will cease collecting the levy?

Like phuq. They are having too much fun with all the punters' lolly.

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PM John Howard gone, but not the union levy

UNIONS want to keep charging their members a special fighting levy introduced to oust John Howard.

They want to use the money to amass a post-election war chest for advertising and future public campaigns.

The $5.50 annual charge raised about $30 million, funding a series of hard-hitting ads that helped end 11 years of Coalition rule.

The nation's 1.8 million union members have already paid the levy for 2008, after it was brought forward to raise money before the election.

Now, union officials are considering an annual charge.

"The decision that has been made is that the levy is in place for 2008," ACTU secretary Jeff Lawrence said.

"We'll look at that question . . . as to what's required post-2008.

"I think there is a general view across the movement, including rank-and-file members, that it has been a good thing, that there has been resources there . . . and we need to look at the things that we need to put a public point of view about."

Mr Lawrence said the union movement was likely to conduct further paid advertising, emphasising the role of unions and the importance of collective bargaining in workplaces.

However he said ensuring the Rudd Government's new IR laws were implemented properly was the movement's biggest priority.

Future campaigns could also include a push to boost government superannuation contributions, and moves to secure universal paid maternity leave, union sources said.

Victorian Trades Hall secretary Brian Boyd said the levy was a source of vital funds and should be maintained.

Vital funds? For what old bean?

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Reply #73 - Feb 6^th, 2008 at 5:22pm

from crikey:

Shellshocked and bedraggled Liberal MPs will hold a two-day election post mortem and way-forward strategy meeting in Canberra starting tomorrow with most media attention focused on their differences over Labor’s "Sorry" declaration. But what about WorkChoices?

This is their first gathering since the 24 November election debacle which saw Liberal numbers in the House of Representatives shrink from 74 to 55, partly because of a voter backlash against John Howard’s anti-union legislation.

With the Rudd Government proposing to consign WorkChoices to the dustbin of history and introduce a new industrial relations framework, the question is -- what will Brendan Nelson’s Opposition do?

Do the Liberals vote against WorkChoices, the policy they took to the last election, or do they continue to support it as suggested by industrial relations spokeswoman Julie Bishop and others? By continuing their support for Howard’s laws they will be showing loyalty to the misguided business leaders who raised some $12 million to promote Work Choices in media advertising in the run-up to the election. The hard right believe that staying loyal to Howard’s laws will ensure more corporate cash will be on offer at the next election in three years’ time.

In reality, the Liberals sans Howard are in a very prickly position: they are stuck with a deeply unpopular policy that was bankrolled by big business but rejected by the electorate. Do they abandon the policy and give a slap in the face to their big corporate donors or what?

One thing they will be anxious to avoid is using their current Senate majority – it ends mid-year with the swearing-in of newly-elected Labor and Green senators – to frustrate Labor’s new legislation and give Prime Minister Kevin Rudd the trigger to call a double dissolution election.

In the latest Newspoll, Labor has improved its popularity to 58 per cent with the Coalition dropping to 42 per cent. Any snap election on those figures would see the Liberals reduced to a mere rump in federal parliament.

The odds are that this week’s Liberal summit will decide to cut adrift from WorkChoices which only a few months ago was an article of Liberal faith. (The Nationals were less enthusiastic about Howard's anti-union obsession but loyally marched behind the Liberal standard like well trained sheep going through the dip).

If the meeting also decides to support Rudd’s "Sorry" statement to indigenous Australians, this will mark the dramatic start of the unravelling of Howard’s legacy and his outdated, divisive and mean-spirited hold on the party’s philosophy.

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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: The facts on IR laws Reply #74 - Feb 6^th, 2008 at 7:29pm No wonder they call themselves 'Crikey'. Even they know the readers will be saying 'Crikey, what a load of bollocks'. Thanks for the giggle. It is a Liebor Party published comic book you quote from I assume?
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