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Re: Marine Parks as a Fisheries Management Tool
Reply #75 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 9:57am
 
Nope- it is just discrimination of a tool
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Reply #76 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 10:33am
 
Do you also think fish are scared of sunlight and that mulloway are deepwater fish?
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Reply #77 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 10:44am
 
Irrelevant...
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Reply #78 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:13am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2008 at 10:33am:
Do you also think fish are scared of sunlight and that mulloway are deepwater fish?


What are the peak times to catch a fish off the shore FD? Is it broad daylight or dawn and dusk? Note that I have 35 years of fishing experience and it is possible that I might know a bit more about the subject than you.

Who said mulloway are a deepwater fish? I didn't. And what are the chances of catching a mulloway in broad daylight and in shallow water (apart from flood conditions)?
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Reply #79 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:32am
 
FD is referring to my earlier post when I reference YF whiting and mulloway as two different species that inhabit different zones. I was being specific to estuarine systems where mulloway frequently inhabit the deeper sections of the river.

Of course, he is now trying to use them out of context when his wedge politicking has been shown to be just that
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Re: Marine Parks as a Fisheries Management Tool
Reply #80 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:43am
 
IQSRLOW wrote on Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:32am:
FD is referring to my earlier post when I reference YF whiting and mulloway as two different species that inhabit different zones. I was being specific to estuarine systems where mulloway frequently inhabit the deeper sections of the river.

Of course, he is now trying to use them out of context when his wedge politicking has been shown to be just that


Yes well just about everything is more complicated than FD's understanding IQ. I took up a similar theme with the case of groper, drummer and luderick which hug the shoreline.

In the case of mulloway your right that they tend to frequent the deep holes in the estuary system. They will venture into the shallows though, but only in periods of low light. FD will take that to mean they are overfished because tourists can't catch them when they rock up at 8:00am.
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Reply #81 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:54am
 
FD will take that to mean they are overfished because tourists can't catch them when they rock up at 8:00am. 

But with the implementing FD's no boat zones, the shallows will be over run with them because the boaties will no longer be able to take them from the deeper water- the population will increase so much there won't be enough room in the depths, so they will start to inhabit the shallows at all hours.

Next he will want to ban fishing rods on shore...and will argue that the fish will start hurling themselves out the water into buckets by themselves
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Reply #82 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 12:11pm
 
I think he will ban anything IQ, just for the sake of interfering with peoples lives or stealing enough of the uniformed Green vote to get electoral funding.
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Reply #83 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 1:29pm
 
Irrelevant...

That's odd. PJ thinks the one about fish being scared of the light is relevant. You don't disagree with him by any chance, do you?

Note that I have 35 years of fishing experience and it is possible that I might know a bit more about the subject than you.

It's amazing how some people can spend all that time above the water and never stick their head under to see what's actually down there. I guess that's where all the superstition comes from. Do get off your high horse PJ and stop trying to tell me how much more you know about fishing.

Who said mulloway are a deepwater fish?

Sorry, my mistake. That was IQ. But now he says it is irrelevant. Go figure.

And what are the chances of catching a mulloway in broad daylight and in shallow water (apart from flood conditions)?

All of the mulloway I caught were from shallow water in broad daylight. With one of them the water was so shallow I could have stood up. I guess 35 years sitting on top of the water doesn't tell you everything hey PJ?

I was being specific to estuarine systems where mulloway frequently inhabit the deeper sections of the river.

Oh, so now it's relevant again. Tell me, are shore based anglers incapable of casting into the deep?

In the case of mulloway your right that they tend to frequent the deep holes in the estuary system. They will venture into the shallows though, but only in periods of low light.

So shore based fishermen won't be able to catch them because they are only there at dusk and dawn? Tell me again how this is a valid criticism of shore fishing zones.

I think he will ban anything IQ, just for the sake of interfering with peoples lives or stealing enough of the uniformed Green vote to get electoral funding.

So in the complete absence of a rational basis for your objection you resort to making things up....
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Reply #84 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 1:54pm
 

Note that I have 35 years of fishing experience and it is possible that I might know a bit more about the subject than you.

It's amazing how some people can spend all that time above the water and never stick their head under to see what's actually down there. I guess that's where all the superstition comes from. Do get off your high horse PJ and stop trying to tell me how much more you know about fishing.

your policy is about angling FD - and you know little about it.  


And what are the chances of catching a mulloway in broad daylight and in shallow water (apart from flood conditions)?

All of the mulloway I caught were from shallow water in broad daylight. With one of them the water was so shallow I could have stood up. I guess 35 years sitting on top of the water doesn't tell you everything hey PJ?

Oh really? Did you catch them by hook and line or spear them laying in a gutter near the ocean rocks. I suspect the latter in which case my point is not contradicted.  Have you ever caught a mulloway by hook and line FD?


In the case of mulloway your right that they tend to frequent the deep holes in the estuary system. They will venture into the shallows though, but only in periods of low light.

So shore based fishermen won't be able to catch them because they are only there at dusk and dawn? Tell me again how this is a valid criticism of shore fishing zones.

Duh, the whole premise of your policy is that shore based anglers don't catch much and the reason is overfishing. The fact that casual anglers can't be bothered getting out of bed early or aren't switched on enough to use effective techniques is lost on you.

I think he will ban anything IQ, just for the sake of interfering with peoples lives or stealing enough of the uniformed Green vote to get electoral funding.

So in the complete absence of a rational basis for your objection you resort to making things up.

Duh, your trying to form a green political party aren't you? You have a vested interest in climbing on the marine park bandwagon or any other green issue.
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Reply #85 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 3:58pm
 
your policy is about angling FD - and you know little about it

It's about fishing pj

Duh, the whole premise of your policy is that shore based anglers don't catch much and the reason is overfishing. The fact that casual anglers can't be bothered getting out of bed early or aren't switched on enough to use effective techniques is lost on you.

You appear to be confusing shore based anglers and casual anglers. Or do you just think that all shore based anglers simply lack the skills of those with boats? The policy is not about any one type of fisherman. It is about locations and methods.
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Reply #86 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 4:11pm
 
Oh, so now it's relevant again. Tell me, are shore based anglers incapable of casting into the deep?

WTF? How long is a piece of string...- how far offshore are the deeper channels in your examples FD- casting distance?

It's relevant in the context of your silly examples of banning boat fishing. If we weren't discussing silly ideas, then it would be irrelevant
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Reply #87 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 4:25pm
 
your policy is about angling FD - and you know little about it

It's about fishing pj

Yes and of which angling is way ahead in participation compared to spearfishing.

PS By your silence I take it that you speared those mulloway rather than caught them on a hook and line.


Duh, the whole premise of your policy is that shore based anglers don't catch much and the reason is overfishing. The fact that casual anglers can't be bothered getting out of bed early or aren't switched on enough to use effective techniques is lost on you.

You appear to be confusing shore based anglers and casual anglers. Or do you just think that all shore based anglers simply lack the skills of those with boats? The policy is not about any one type of fisherman. It is about locations and methods.

Most casual anglers fish off the shore. To buy a boat means you have a signficant comitment to the sport, otherwise you wouldn't go to the expense and trouble. So yes, boat anglers tend to be the keener and therefore more skilled anglers.
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Reply #88 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 9:36pm
 
how far offshore are the deeper channels in your examples FD- casting distance?

yes

Most casual anglers fish off the shore. To buy a boat means you have a signficant comitment to the sport, otherwise you wouldn't go to the expense and trouble.

What's this about expense and trouble? Why would you go to expense and trouble when you can catch just as many fish from the shore? Do you like the idea of fishermen having to prove their committment with the expense and trouble before being able to catch as many fish? Or do you think fishermen just buy a boat to prove they are committed?
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Reply #89 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 9:48pm
 
Take some pics next time you go running up and down the beach trolling for spanish macks- I could use the laugh.

Seriously, don't you get that different species are caught offshore or are you just ignoring that point because it contradicts your silly presumptions?
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