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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #165 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:38pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:12pm:

As was said before atheism is a religion of denial and that was proved countless times by atheists themselves. This was just another one.

Yes, you keep mentioning "religion of denial" without clarifying just what you mean.

It's vague. Atheists deny what? A god? everything? Religion of denial is hardly an explanation.

Those who don't believe in the Easter bunny, are they part of some religion of denial too?

You are an atheist so tell me what you deny.

Do you believe in non-existance of a god(s)? Yes or No?
Do you deny that atheism is a religion? Yes or No?

Don't be vague. Just Yes or No will do.

I'm not interested in atheist bunnies so you may leave them out of it.

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Reply #166 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:42pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:12pm:

As was said before atheism is a religion of denial and that was proved countless times by atheists themselves. This was just another one.

Yes, you keep mentioning "religion of denial" without clarifying just what you mean.

It's vague. Atheists deny what? A god? everything? Religion of denial is hardly an explanation.

Those who don't believe in the Easter bunny, are they part of some religion of denial too?

Egyptian Islam is a religion of de Nile.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49439 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #167 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:48pm Atheism is a belief based on the rejection of another belief. Without theism, there would be no atheism. That's what the religion of denial bit means.
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #168 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:52pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:42pm:

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 1:12pm:

As was said before atheism is a religion of denial and that was proved countless times by atheists themselves. This was just another one.

Yes, you keep mentioning "religion of denial" without clarifying just what you mean.

It's vague. Atheists deny what? A god? everything? Religion of denial is hardly an explanation.

Those who don't believe in the Easter bunny, are they part of some religion of denial too?

Egyptian Islam is a religion of de Nile.

I'm so glad that I've saved you from atheistic religious clutches, muso.
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #169 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:55pm

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:48pm:

Atheism is a belief based on the rejection of another belief. Without theism, there would be no atheism. That's what the religion of denial bit means.

FD - You're confusing atheism with Antitheism.

What about the accidental atheist? Buddhism is not a belief based on the rejection of Christianity, yet many Buddhists happen to be atheist.

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Reply #170 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:03pm

Let the ABS have the final word:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/46d1bc47ac9d0c7bca256c470025ff87/bfdda1c...

"Precise definition of the concept of religion, or of what generally constitutes 'a religion', is difficult, if not impossible, because of the intangible and wide-ranging nature of the topic. Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices, usually involving acknowledgment of a divine or higher being or power, by which people order the conduct of their lives both practically and in a moral sense."

That sounds fair to me. I think it should come down to a vote.

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #171 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:08pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:55pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:48pm:

Atheism is a belief based on the rejection of another belief. Without theism, there would be no atheism. That's what the religion of denial bit means.

FD - You're confusing atheism with Antitheism.

What about the accidental atheist? Buddhism is not a belief based on the rejection of Christianity, yet many Buddhists happen to be atheist.

Many meat eaters happen to be cats and atheism happen to be a religion of denial. Keep denying it though with religious vigour if it makes you happy. Happiness is good.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49439 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #172 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:10pm FD - You're confusing atheism with Antitheism. No I'm not. What about the accidental atheist? How would they know what not to believe in?
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #173 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:13pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:03pm:

Let the ABS have the final word:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/46d1bc47ac9d0c7bca256c470025ff87/bfdda1c...

"Precise definition of the concept of religion, or of what generally constitutes 'a religion', is difficult, if not impossible, because of the intangible and wide-ranging nature of the topic. Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices, usually involving acknowledgment of a divine or higher being or power, by which people order the conduct of their lives both practically and in a moral sense."

That sounds fair to me. I think it should come down to a vote.

"Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices"

So atheism is a religion. Cheesy

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #174 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:27pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:13pm:

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:03pm:

Let the ABS have the final word:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/46d1bc47ac9d0c7bca256c470025ff87/bfdda1c...

"Precise definition of the concept of religion, or of what generally constitutes 'a religion', is difficult, if not impossible, because of the intangible and wide-ranging nature of the topic. Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices, usually involving acknowledgment of a divine or higher being or power, by which people order the conduct of their lives both practically and in a moral sense."

That sounds fair to me. I think it should come down to a vote.

"Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices"

So atheism is a religion. Cheesy

So is playing roulette. What is the 'set' of beliefs associated with an 'Atheism' ? What are the Practices associated with Atheism?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #175 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:38pm freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:10pm: How would they know what not to believe in? Exactly my point.
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #176 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:43pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:38pm:

You are an atheist so tell me what you deny.

Do you believe in non-existance of a god(s)? Yes or No?
Do you deny that atheism is a religion? Yes or No?

Don't be vague. Just Yes or No will do.

I'm not interested in atheist bunnies so you may leave them out of it.

While I feel these questions are loaded, in particular a belief in a negative, I will answer but keep in mind by restricting my answer to yes or no it cannot be completely accurate.

1. Yes
2. Yes

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #177 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:51pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:27pm:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:13pm:

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:03pm:

Let the ABS have the final word:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/46d1bc47ac9d0c7bca256c470025ff87/bfdda1c...

"Precise definition of the concept of religion, or of what generally constitutes 'a religion', is difficult, if not impossible, because of the intangible and wide-ranging nature of the topic. Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices, usually involving acknowledgment of a divine or higher being or power, by which people order the conduct of their lives both practically and in a moral sense."

That sounds fair to me. I think it should come down to a vote.

"Generally, a religion is regarded as a set of beliefs and practices"

So atheism is a religion. Cheesy

So is playing roulette. What is the 'set' of beliefs associated with an 'Atheism' ? What are the Practices associated with Atheism?

If they are gamblers as you claimed then it is reasonable to expect them having gambling practices. We will need to wait for an atheist to get in here and ask him or her because though all religions somewhat similar they are not quiet the same like birds.

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #178 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:55pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:43pm:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 2:38pm:

You are an atheist so tell me what you deny.

Do you believe in non-existance of a god(s)? Yes or No?
Do you deny that atheism is a religion? Yes or No?

Don't be vague. Just Yes or No will do.

I'm not interested in atheist bunnies so you may leave them out of it.

While I feel these questions are loaded, in particular a belief in a negative, I will answer but keep in mind by restricting my answer to yes or no it cannot be completely accurate.

1. Yes
2. Yes

So here is believe, which makes it a religion and a denial of that fact, which makes it religion of denial. Excellent result. Thank you very much.

BTW, muso wants to know what are your practices.

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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #179 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 4:04pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 3:55pm:

So here is believe, which makes it a religion and a denial of that fact, which makes it religion of denial. Excellent result. Thank you very much.

BTW, muso wants to know what are your practices.

I may not believe in god, and deny said god's existence without facts to contrary but that is hardly a religion in and of itself.

I deny it is a religion because it is just a single belief.

As for my practices - I don't have any specific practices to do with not believing in god, why would I?

Unless you mean not praying before a meal or bedtime Grin

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