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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49444 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #195 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 6:36pm Leave out the insults mozz.
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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #196 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 6:46pm Really? Just a bit of fun, not too confrontational, more your banter type of thing, which is pretty tame, and not really offensive, besides, he was asking for it.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49444 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #197 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:03pm Yes really. It's all fun and games until someone losses and eye.
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Reply #198 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:03pm

mozzaok wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 6:31pm:

believe whatever absurd crap you want to tallo, no skin off my nose, just don't try and sell it to me, 'cause I aint buyin.
also, why put quotation marks around a composite of what I wrote, what ammad wrote, and which you changed?

Who is it supposed to be quoting, me, ammad, or you?

I suppose it doesn't matter, you have effectively made yourself wrong no matter who you meant.

Nice boy, but about as sharp as a pound of wet leather.

mozzik, you don't have any skin on your nose so it can't be off, and you know the reason. Grin

Now, do you deny that you are religious atheist?

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Reply #199 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:06pm

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 4:46pm:

Do you have an entire world view?

What religions do you consider cohesive?

Everyone has a world-view of some description, religious people tend to incorporate aspects of religion into this.

All religions are cohesive (and most have protection against outside ideas), but not all ideas are.

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Reply #200 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:17pm

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 4:46pm:

Do you have an entire world view?

What religions do you consider cohesive?

Everyone has a world-view of some description, religious people tend to incorporate aspects of religion into this.

All religions are cohesive (and most have protection against outside ideas), but not all ideas are.

Atheists tend to incorporate aspects of their religion namely denial of god(s) existence in their world-view.

Is atheism cohesive?
As for religious protectionism this very topic testifies that atheist are very protective against outside ideas.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #201 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:33pm freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:03pm: Yes really. It's all fun and games until someone losses and eye. May be we should have a Friday Arvo Special otherwise some people like Mozz would never have a chance to do their worth of argumentation. Besides he don't have an eye or he would see The Reason.
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Reply #202 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:50pm

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Leave out the insults mozz.

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Really?
Just a bit of fun, not too confrontational, more your banter type of thing, which is pretty tame, and not really offensive, besides, he was asking for it.

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Yes really. It's all fun and games until someone losses and eye.

Has that ever happened without the use of sticks and stones?

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #203 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 8:54pm Well I have already fully explained my personal faith, NOYFBISM, and my personal god, FUKAL. I will proudly have faith in FUKAL till my dying day. So I will always give FUKAL respect to whoever warrants it.
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Reply #204 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:11pm

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 4:41pm:

Kytro wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 4:30pm:

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

I've noticed that you were quiet active in the tread about dinosaurs.
That indicated your other believes, which together make a religious system and also practice of advancing your religion against other religions, which of course is what most of religions do.

If you want to start including belief other than not believing in god, then you may get closer to something you could call religion - though not one based faith, one based on reason.

That's what I did and after examining atheism I found it to be a religion as other religions are.

Cool -

Does this mean that if I say I'm an Atheist, I get a tax break? As long as I don't have to kiss Dawkins on the posterior, that's cool with me.

OK - So now that I'm a fellow religionite, can we be friends?

This discussion was coming to a civilised conclusion when I left it.

Chill out guys. Why don't we come to an agreement. Atheist is a religion to some Christians. To others, it just means that you don't believe in God. End of story.

300 years ago in Japan, there were atheists who didn't even know they were atheists. They just practiced Shintu. How on earth you can come up with this wacky idea that they deny God (I give up - just choose a god - any god)

My dog is an atheist. I know a nice eel who is an atheist. For that matter, I have a nice Colocasia plant in the garden - but oh no - that was Synod Lutheran the last time I asked it.

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Reply #205 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:22pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:11pm:

Does this mean that if I say I'm an Atheist, I get a tax break? As long as I don't have to kiss Dawkins on the posterior, that's cool with me.

OK - So now that I'm a fellow religionite, can we be friends?

This discussion was coming to a civilised conclusion when I left it.

Chill out guys. Why don't we come to an agreement. Atheist is a religion to some Christians. To others, it just means that you don't believe in God. End of story.

300 years ago in Japan, there were atheists who didn't even know they were atheists. They just practiced Shintu. How on earth you can come up with this wacky idea that they deny God (I give up - just choose a god - any god)

My dog is an atheist. I know a nice eel who is an atheist. For that matter, I have a nice Colocasia plant in the garden - but oh no - that was Synod Lutheran the last time I asked it.

friends with a tax break atheist?....Why not.

Shinto is a good example of not self consciousness religionists but a happy little single cell is even better. It doesn't argue either way it just does what a happy little single cell has to do.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #206 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:25pm mozzaok wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 8:54pm: Well I have already fully explained my personal faith, NOYFBISM, and my personal god, FUKAL. I will proudly have faith in FUKAL till my dying day. So I will always give FUKAL respect to whoever warrants it. You do warrant it mozz, you really do. Self sufficiency is good.
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Reply #207 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:07am

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 9:22pm:

friends with a tax break atheist?....Why not.

Getting back from your surreal world of imagination, we unfortunately find that most government departments have a firm and non distorted grasp of reality. That includes not just the ATO (bless their cotton socks) but the ABS as well.

We are all entitled to believe what we want, and live our lives as we want without self righteous hypocrites trying to tell us what we are or what we should or can do.

We live in a post Christian era here in Australia. We have many different faiths and worldviews in this country, and that variety is worth celebrating and worth defending. I have defended Christians and Muslims alike, and will continue to do so.

If I'm defending anything at all, it would be that freedom and variety.

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Reply #208 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:24am

muso wrote on Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:07am:

...We are all entitled to believe what we want, and live our lives as we want without self righteous hypocrites trying to tell us what we are or what we should or can do.

We live in a post Christian era here in Australia. We have many different faiths and worldviews in this country, and that variety is worth celebrating and worth defending. I have defended Christians and Muslims alike, and will continue to do so.

If I'm defending anything at all, it would be that freedom and variety.

Exactly and we don't want to replace dominance of one religion for dominance of another namely atheism. We don't want horrors of atheist states repeated here.

¡No pasarán!

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Reply #209 - Oct 25^th, 2008 at 8:35am

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:17pm:

Atheists tend to incorporate aspects of their religion namely denial of god(s) existence in their world-view.

Is atheism cohesive?

Some do, others do not. To some peopel being atheist is an important part of their identity, to others they don't give it a second thought.

tallowood wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 7:17pm:

As for religious protectionism this very topic testifies that atheist are very protective against outside ideas.

Some may be. I certainly am not, so long as those ideas have a basis in reality.

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