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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49445 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #240 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 12:14pm Muso, you are just coming up with alternative definitions - strong, weak or medium atheism, to avoid using words that are already in common use, like agnosticism.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #241 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 1:36pm Yawn - I'm quite a strong atheist myself. I do quite a lot of weight training. There seems to be a lot of NATFQ-itis on this thread, and I have a feeling it might be contagious. So please forgive me if I depart this animated discussion as a somewhat capriciously planned act of impassioned apathy.
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #242 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 5:04pm

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Of course it is ridiculous to deny that atheism is a religion. That is if denier is not an atheist, if denier is an atheist then it is quiet normal because atheism is religion of denial.

You may be have noticed that the circles that fit in squares have diameters EQUAL or less then the side of those squares while squares that fit in circles have diagonals EQUAL or less then diameters of those circles. EQUAL or less not just less.

You see? That's how you can keep believing that atheism is a religion. All that you need to do is suspend logic.

For one, if the diameter of the circle is the same as the width of the square, it's not actually sitting inside the square, it's sitting on top of or under the square.

Also I think yuo've forgotten your geometry, because the area of the circle is smaller than the square.
If the square is 20cm x 20cm, then it's area would be 400cm2.
The area of the circle = pi x radius squared.
3.14 x (10cm)2 = 314cm2.

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That's unless of course the shape is small enough to fit inside the other

The circle is still not small enough to fit inside the square - therefore, atheism is not a religion.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49445 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #243 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 6:24pm You can fit one object inside another even if it is 'just touching' the edges. That is the case here. The square with the diagonal equal to the diameter is only just touching the circle, and only at four points of infinitesimal size. Therefor it is inside the circle and atheism is a religion.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #244 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 7:14pm Well I suppose you'll have to go down to your local mechanic and ask if a 50mm piston will fit inside a 50mm bore. The reply you will get is... "atheism is not a religion".
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49445 At my desk.	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #245 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 7:16pm There is no tolerance on mathematical constructs, therefor atheism is a religion.
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #246 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 7:53pm

Amadd wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 7:14pm:

Well I suppose you'll have to go down to your local mechanic and ask if a 50mm piston will fit inside a 50mm bore.
The reply you will get is... "atheism is not a religion". Cheesy

Ask the same mechanic if 50mm piston will fit in 50mm piston. Grin

The way you put it squares aint squares as they won't fit inside of each other unless they smaller. The same way religions aint religions and all of them are unique.
Religion of atheism is like that too. Cool

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Reply #247 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 8:19pm

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Ask the same mechanic if 50mm piston will fit in 50mm piston.

He'd probably then ask me what religion I follow or what drugs I am on.

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The way you put it squares aint squares as they won't fit inside of each other unless they smaller.

Ummm.....

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There is no tolerance on mathematical constructs, therefor atheism is a religion.

Nomatter how infinitely thin you would like to make the line, it still does not fit inside it.

Ahh but I see you've been to the Grendel school of debate and you keep fishing for just one tiny point to make your entire argument true.

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Reply #248 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 8:32pm

Amadd wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 8:19pm:

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Ask the same mechanic if 50mm piston will fit in 50mm piston.

He'd probably then ask me what religion I follow or what drugs I am on.

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The way you put it squares aint squares as they won't fit inside of each other unless they smaller.

Ummm.....

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There is no tolerance on mathematical constructs, therefor atheism is a religion.

Nomatter how infinitely thin you would like to make the line, it still does not fit inside it.

Ahh but I see you've been to the Grendel school of debate and you keep fishing for just one tiny point to make your entire argument true.

Square dose not fit in square according to your definition of fit in therefore squares aint squares.
Mechanic would know from the question that your religion is atheism.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #249 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:11pm Atheists make the fatal error of thinking that religion is about god, about something 'out of this world'. Of course it isn't. Who can know anything 'out of this world'? Religion is about what is sacred. Atheism is a religion only if it can speak of anything that is sacred. If it cannot then it isn't.
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Reply #250 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:33am

Amadd wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 7:14pm:

Well I suppose you'll have to go down to your local mechanic and ask if a 50mm piston will fit inside a 50mm bore.
The reply you will get is... "atheism is not a religion". Cheesy

You just don't have faith, brother. With faith, you can fit a 200mm piston inside a 50mm bore.

But what any of this has to do with Atheism being a religion escapes me totally. Maybe it's like the Delphi Oracle.

You basically get a crazy woman to sit inside a volcanic vent in Delphi and breath the gases, and she says in a haunting voice "A square can fit inside a circle" The interpreter then says "What she means is that Atheism is a religion"

Hallelujah ! the gods have spoken.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #251 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:19pm Yes muso, I think you've stumbled across a meaning to my initial nonsensical analogy. If you just have faith, you can even warp the rules of mathematics. Wow! If only I could possess such powers!
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Re: Is atheism a religious belief?
Reply #252 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:34pm

Amadd wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 9:19pm:

Yes muso, I think you've stumbled across a meaning to my initial nonsensical analogy.

If you just have faith, you can even warp the rules of mathematics.

Wow! If only I could possess such powers!

Math is easy. You just postulate your own set of axioms and then prove theorems according to them. However final philosophical stone is a prediction that empirically comes true. Nothing short of real magic.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #253 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 10:48pm Quote: Math is easy. You just postulate your own set of axioms and then prove theorems according to them. If it's so easy, why can't you use it?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Is atheism a religious belief? Reply #254 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 10:52pm Amadd wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 10:48pm: Quote: Math is easy. You just postulate your own set of axioms and then prove theorems according to them. If it's so easy, why can't you use it? I do.
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